Two Sturdy Buckets

Raz'r

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feed buckets

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Zonker

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The most efficient bilge pump is a scared man with a bucket.
For 10 minutes or so. Then they start slowing down.

Just flip the switch on this one. It pumps a shocking amount of water. Even with 4 or 5' lift it's pumping ~1600 GPH. If your man with a 5 gallon bucket has it more than about 3 gallons full it's too hard to lift up the companionway ladder repeatedly. So to match this pump he's got to lift 1600 gals/3 gals = 533 buckets of water in an hour. Or 9 buckets per minute, or 1 bucket every 7 seconds. Try that for 1 hour and get back to me.

accnick - know anybody at PS any more? Good idea for a test: man versus pump!
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TBW

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The primary reason for buckets being legally required on vessels is for fire fighting. It's not just in the USA, it's a SOLAS requirement, a Canadian requirement etc.

Canadian requirement takes it a step further so the buckets can only be used for fire fighting.

"Fire Buckets​

312 Every fire bucket must have a capacity of 10 L or more, be made of metal with a round bottom and a hole in the centre, be painted red and be fitted with a line of sufficient length to enable the bucket to be filled from the surrounding body of water from any deck."

The rounded bottom and hole are to ensure the bucket isn't used as a mop up bucket or a head.
 

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The primary reason for buckets being legally required on vessels is for fire fighting. It's not just in the USA, it's a SOLAS requirement, a Canadian requirement etc.

Canadian requirement takes it a step further so the buckets can only be used for fire fighting.

"Fire Buckets​

312 Every fire bucket must have a capacity of 10 L or more, be made of metal with a round bottom and a hole in the centre, be painted red and be fitted with a line of sufficient length to enable the bucket to be filled from the surrounding body of water from any deck."

The rounded bottom and hole are to ensure the bucket isn't used as a mop up bucket or a head.
I'm not sure fire buckets are required in the US any more. In fact, when we were trying to refit a US flagged pilot boat to bring it to Canada, we had to buy the TC required fire buckets in Canada and bring them into the US, as we could not find any to purchase in the US. None of my US flagged projects (including fireboats!) have been required to have fire buckets on board.
 

Jim in Halifax

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...be made of metal with a round bottom and a hole in the centre...
"There's a hole in the bucket, dear Liza, a hole..."
That's a strange one! (In Canada, a metal bucket without hole will become round-bottomed by defualt if left outside in the winter)
 
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TBW

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I'm not sure fire buckets are required in the US any more. In fact, when we were trying to refit a US flagged pilot boat to bring it to Canada, we had to buy the TC required fire buckets in Canada and bring them into the US, as we could not find any to purchase in the US. None of my US flagged projects (including fireboats!) have been required to have fire buckets on board.
Could be, been a while since I sailed on a US flagged ship, but I remember fire buckets being a requirement at one time, and they still are in Canada over 15 GRT I think.
 

Zonker

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"Fire Buckets​

312 Every fire bucket must have a capacity of 10 L or more, be made of metal with a round bottom and a hole in the centre, be painted red and be fitted with a line of sufficient length to enable the bucket to be filled from the surrounding body of water from any deck."

For pleasure craft the Small Vessel Regulations apply; only says you need a bucket if you're >=12m. And a fire axe but I've never seen one carried. A stupid rule that dates back to all wooden boats. I'd love to know when a fire axe was last used on a shipboard fire on a pleasure boat.

Never noticed a Canadian vessel's special round buckets with holes. I'll have to look next time I'm aboard a bigger vessel. I doubt CCG would worry if your bucket didn't have holes or the stupid round button. They have common sense usually.
 

Diarmuid

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Farm animals are hard on buckets. Horses step on them. Goats eat them.

I like 40# rectangular cat litter pails, but the handles don't last very long. Might replace some with dyneema cord.
 

Go Left

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Q1: Sick of throwing a hardware shop bucket over the side only to pull the handle back aboard without the bucket. I'll cut my toothbrush in half, but I'll still have 2 good solid buckets.

Q2: For a brief moment, 2 or 3 times in a sailors career, a good bucket will be the most important possession you own, when you need it, you wouldn't swap it for anything. Unfortunately, every boat has a Dave. Dave makes sure none of your winch handles ever get old and worn. Dave finds the inherent weakness in every product. Dave will throw the first bucket overboard, lanyard and all, when you need it most, so have 2, and possibly a 3rd, somewhere Dave rarely looks.

Q3: Horsey people have the best buckets, get them where they get them.
Sounds like my former boat partner.
 

Vieux Port

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Closeout special at Grainger. Get'um before all the water runs out the hole in the bottom...

Even pre-stenciled, just like your uncle Bob would have done.

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Go Left

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For pleasure craft the Small Vessel Regulations apply; only says you need a bucket if you're >=12m. And a fire axe but I've never seen one carried. A stupid rule that dates back to all wooden boats. I'd love to know when a fire axe was last used on a shipboard fire on a pleasure boat.

Never noticed a Canadian vessel's special round buckets with holes. I'll have to look next time I'm aboard a bigger vessel. I doubt CCG would worry if your bucket didn't have holes or the stupid round button. They have common sense usually.
We actually had to run out and buy a fire axe to pass the inspection for Van Isle 360 a few years ago.

I asked the inspector where he would actually use a fire ax on an all carbon & epoxy boat with mostly crawling head room. Other than to scuttle the boat. Safely storing the damn thing was way scarier than any possible use scenario.

I believe most off-shore Cat 1 and 0 rules require 2 buckets. Fisheries Supply in Seattle carries good ones.
 

Zonker

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Yes TC has a lot of regulations that were written by grizzled Scotsmen 100 years ago and are still on the books.
 

eric1207

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Isn't the axe is also intended for chopping lines....quickly? Towboats, etc.... I've also heard of people inside a capsized, but floating, boat chopping their way out. Wood, fiberglass, doesn't matter. Might be able to hack a hole in an aluminum hull as well, eh Panope? Axe's are handy. In the fire service they're used to open windshields in car wrecks,hacking next to the window frame goes quickly.
 
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