Tyree Nichols

[Dog 2.0]

They do.

And, the likelihood of a teacher killing a student is exactly the same as a police officer killing a civilian. Happens at about the same frequency.

Are you trying to draw some equivalence between the insurance I suggested for police and the one I pay for?

Fuck me, but that is a stretch. Even for you.

No, simply that it not a farfetched idea to have police get their liability insurance through their union.

 

[Liquid]

Do you accept that there is and always will be a degree of “systemic racism “ across all cultures and ethnic groups, that simply is human nature and natural primal DNA.

NO! That is not primal DNA across all groups. Racism is 100% a human created construct.

In order for a human to enslave another human the enslaver has to be above the enslaved. The 'others' are pheasant, serfs, indians, savages, tribal, beasts, etc.

Far easier to ethnically cleanse a region from the nightmare of the 'native savages' than to go kill your neighbor.

The Mayans extinguish themselves! Was that systematic racism?

 

[Mark_K]

Reason articles are often maligned but here's a good one:

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​ ​ ​ The Most Popular Police Reforms Can't Stop the Next Tyre Nichols From Being Killed. Here's What Might.​ ​

​ ​ ​ ELIZABETH NOLAN BROWN​

​ ​ On Friday, the city of Memphis, Tennessee, released footage of five cops killing Tyre Nichols. The video is as appalling and heartbreaking as expected. (You know it's outrageous when even the National Fraternal Order of Police couldn't muster a defense.) The video shows the officers senselessly beating Nichols, who was ostensibly pulled over on a traffic stop, as the 29-year-old is utterly defenseless and compliant with their demands (at least, when these demands weren't completely impossible or contradictory). Now comes the part of the cycle where everyone calls for reforms. It's hard to look at a situation like this and think that anything could make a difference. Many popular reform ideas—hire more black cops, make police wear body cameras, give them better gun training, ban the use of chokeholds—aren't applicable. (The cops were black, they were wearing cameras, and they killed Nichols without using a chokehold or firing a bullet.) Perhaps policing just attracts psychopaths. Perhaps the culture of policing is just so bad that it turns ordinary men into monsters. Neither of those options seems like a problem fixable through mild reforms.​

​ ​ But there are a few specific changes that could make a difference. Get rid of secretive "elite" policing units like the SCORPION squad. The officers who killed Nichols were part of Memphis' "Street Crimes Operation to Restore Peace in Our Neighborhoods" (SCORPION) squad, which was tasked with swarming crime "hot spots" and making pretextual traffic stops in order to try and stop or investigate serious crimes. "The SCORPION program has all the markings of similar 'elite' police teams around the country, assembled for the broad purpose of fighting crime, which operate with far more leeway and less oversight than do regular police officers," writes Radley Balko:​

​ ​ Some of these units have touted impressive records of arrests and gun confiscations, though those statistics don't always correlate with a decrease in crime. But they all rest on the idea that to be effective, police officers need less oversight. That is a fundamental misconception. In city after city, these units have proven that putting officers in street clothes and unmarked cars‌, then giving them less supervision, an open mandate and an intimidating name shatters the community trust that police forces require to keep people safe.​

​ ​ Units like these don't just suffer from a lack of transparency and use tactics likely to spawn violence. Their rhetoric attracts "police officers who enjoy being feared," Balko notes, and it positions these officers as both elite and beyond the normal rules. There are all sorts of horror stories about similar units, such as Detroit's STRESS unit ("Over a two-year period, the units killed at least 22 people, almost all of them Black") or Los Angeles' CRASH unit ("More than 70 officers were implicated in planting guns and drug evidence, selling narcotics themselves and shooting and beating people without provocation"). Memphis has now disbanded the SCORPION squad. Let's hope it stays disbanded. And let's hope other cities follow suit. Reduce the role of policing. The group DeCarcerate Memphis is calling for not just disbanding units like the SCORPION squad but getting cops out of traffic management in the first place and ending the use of unmarked cop cars. "These non-reformist reforms reduce the role and power of policing, rather than simply changing the colors of the people committing the harm," writes Guardian columnist Derecka Purnell. Stop buying police propaganda. The initial Memphis Police Department statement about Nichols' death bears little resemblance to the horror and brutality that five officers actually visited upon him. Here's how the department described the situation at first: "a confrontation occurred," and "afterward, the suspect complained of having a shortness of breath."​

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​ ​ This is far from the first time that police have drastically misrepresented the way things went down before surveillance footage or body camera videos showed that they weren't telling the truth. To distill this to its essence: Police lie. They lie to protect themselves. They like to give their activities a more noble sheen. They lie to dehumanize those they arrest or aggress against. And yet members of the media often take cops at their word and move on. Reporters routinely cite information from police press conferences or statements as the simple reality of a situation, with no questions asked, no corroboration, and no outside voices quoted. We see this not just in cases of police brutality, but in reporting on routine police stings and operations. (One area where I frequently see this is with "human trafficking stings.") People in general, and especially media, really need to stop taking police officers at their word. That doesn't mean members of law enforcement are never telling the truth. But there's no reason to believe they are more truthful than your average self-motivated individual. If people would stop placing a premium on police versions of events, it could, in some small way, help dismantle the conditions under which police feel they can get away with whatever they want. End qualified immunity. Another big thing empowering police to do what they want without fearing consequence is the doctrine of qualified immunity. Police need to know that they will face legal consequences when they do wrong.​

I sure do, and the argument against it is generally based in fantasy and magic.

But it's an argument made by someone who has never been an inner-city cop or a gang member, nor spent a lick of time living in the environment. She's but a columnist for Reason. Is there not a credible doubt that she knows what she's talking about?

 

[phill_nz]

Do you accept that there is and always will be a degree of “systemic racism “ across all cultures and ethnic groups, that simply is human nature and natural primal DNA.
It only becomes a problem when that “racism “ is a part of governance.
Just what is this “American policing “ systemic racism you are yacking about?

it becomes a problem when it effects your judgment
it is up to everyone to acknowledge and control it
you can not make everyone like everyone else

 

[Blue Crab]

You have just affirmed why it would be a very strong motivator to keep the house clean. That shit that was glossed over? YOU are going to pay for walking on by.

Seems a great suggestion to me.

FKT

Count me in. The current situation is Memphis taxpayers will foot this bill. Now that's unfair for ye. And let's not overlook the shit these choirboys have likely done previously. Put them in stocks on the riverfront where passersby can punch them and kick them.

 

[Blue Crab]

But it's an argument made by someone who has never been an inner-city cop or a gang member, nor spent a lick of time living in the environment. She's but a columnist for Reason. Is there not a credible doubt that she knows what she's talking about?

She sounds authentic to me. She's all grown up and reads newspapers and the internet and probably watches TV. Can you actually defend these inner-city cops somehow?

Didn't think so.

 

[giegs]

NO! That is not primal DNA across all groups. Racism is 100% a human created construct.

In order for a human to enslave another human the enslaver has to be above the enslaved. The 'others' are pheasant, serfs, indians, savages, tribal, beasts, etc.

Far easier to ethnically cleanse a region from the nightmare of the 'native savages' than to go kill your neighbor.

The Mayans extinguish themselves! Was that systematic racism?

Also bigotry is not the same as systemic racism, but is often a feature/product of it.

 

[Mark_K]

She sounds authentic to me. She's all grown up and reads newspapers and the internet and probably watches TV. Can you actually defend these inner-city cops somehow?

Didn't think so.

Depends on what you define as "these". "These" cops in Memphis? Of course not, but for the thousand or thereby large cities with dedicated OC units that aren't beating people to death for nothing you might have another think coming.

 

[Steam Flyer]

Count me in. The current situation is Memphis taxpayers will foot this bill. Now that's unfair for ye. And let's not overlook the shit these choirboys have likely done previously. Put them in stocks on the riverfront where passersby can punch them and kick fuck them.
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FIFY

What did you think the stock were for, just smearing shit on their faces and whacking them with bats? A night in the stock was a guaranteed STD. Often it was fatal. It certainly wasn't just "good clean fun."

 

[Blue Crab]

FIFY

What did you think the stock were for, just smearing shit on their faces and whacking them with bats? A night in the stock was a guaranteed STD. Often it was fatal. It certainly wasn't just "good clean fun."

TMI

for the thousand or thereby large cities with dedicated OC units that aren't beating people to death for nothing you might have another think coming.

The four proposals sounded like good ideas.

 

[Bus Driver]

No, simply that it not a farfetched idea to have police get their liability insurance through their union.

Wow. You agree with me.

 

[Mark_K]

TMI

The four proposals sounded like good ideas.

For every problem there is a simple, great sounding answer which is wrong.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

Just because you refuse to consider systemic racism and racism which exists in American policing doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It just means you want it to continue because it serves your agenda. If you can have it continue without active support, just tacit acceptance, all the better.

Is that why stuff like this is OK?

Wonder why some people refuse to comment on racist law enforcement? Yeah, I do too. But your explanation rings disturbingly true.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

Police Reforms That Might Help

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Get rid of secretive "elite" policing units like the SCORPION squad. The officers who killed Nichols were part of Memphis' "Street Crimes Operation to Restore Peace in Our Neighborhoods" (SCORPION) squad, which was tasked with swarming crime "hot spots" and making pretextual traffic stops in order to try and stop or investigate serious crimes. "The SCORPION program has all the markings of similar 'elite' police teams around the country, assembled for the broad purpose of fighting crime, which operate with far more leeway and less oversight than do regular police officers," writes Radley Balko:

Some of these units have touted impressive records of arrests and gun confiscations, though those statistics don't always correlate with a decrease in crime. But they all rest on the idea that to be effective, police officers need less oversight. That is a fundamental misconception. In city after city, these units have proven that putting officers in street clothes and unmarked cars‌, then giving them less supervision, an open mandate and an intimidating name shatters the community trust that police forces require to keep people safe.


Units like these don't just suffer from a lack of transparency and use tactics likely to spawn violence. Their rhetoric attracts "police officers who enjoy being feared," Balko notes, and it positions these officers as both elite and beyond the normal rules. There are all sorts of horror stories about similar units, such as Detroit's STRESS unit ("Over a two-year period, the units killed at least 22 people, almost all of them Black") or Los Angeles' CRASH unit ("More than 70 officers were implicated in planting guns and drug evidence, selling narcotics themselves and shooting and beating people without provocation").

Memphis has now disbanded the SCORPION squad. Let's hope it stays disbanded. And let's hope other cities follow suit.
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That's the best suggestion in the article. They make a couple of others, including ending qualified immunity, but that's not really something people care about it seems.

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

I just can’t wrap my head around how this started and escalated. I find myself wondering if one or more of these cops might have had some kind of personal beef with the man they beat to death.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

I just can’t wrap my head around how this started and escalated. I find myself wondering if one or more of these cops might have had some kind of personal beef with the man they beat to death.

Possible but not at all necessary. Mr. Balko summarizes why in one sentence.

In city after city, these units have proven that putting officers in street clothes and unmarked cars‌, then giving them less supervision, an open mandate and an intimidating name shatters the community trust that police forces require to keep people safe.

It's really not a surprising result. I think these units are formed out of frustration with the ongoing failure of the stupid drug war. Like most everything else in that fiasco, they make things worse, not better. The SOLution, if I may, is to end the stupid drug war.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Possible but not at all necessary. Mr. Balko summarizes why in one sentence.

In city after city, these units have proven that putting officers in street clothes and unmarked cars‌, then giving them less supervision, an open mandate and an intimidating name shatters the community trust that police forces require to keep people safe.

It's really not a surprising result. I think these units are formed out of frustration with the ongoing failure of the stupid drug war. Like most everything else in that fiasco, they make things worse, not better. The SOLution, if I may, is to end the stupid drug war.

Primal pack reaction
Happens quite often when conservatives post here

 

[hobie1616]

 

[Blue Crab]

For every problem there is a simple, great sounding answer which is wrong.

Lead, follow, or get out of the way, Mark.

 

[veni vidi vici]

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