Keith
Super Anarchist
Never forget,
The CCP is not playing for team freedom.
Ukraine and Only Ukraine. If it isn't about Ukraine then fuck off
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Never forget,
The CCP is not playing for team freedom.
Snaggletooth
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Fah Kiew Tu
Curmudgeon, First Rank
Short form - "How DARE Ukraine have the effrontery not to lose! It gives other places ideas above their station!"
FKT
Burning Man
Super Anarchist
Oh boy.....
Burning Man
Super Anarchist
I would even go so far as to opine that the US, and maybe NATO as well, were helping them draw up the counter-offensive plans.
Burning Man
Super Anarchist
What about them?
Burning Man
Super Anarchist
POW also means "prisoner of war" to me as well. What does it mean in this context?
Burning Man
Super Anarchist
As much as I would LOVE for that to be true and for putin to hang from the spires of St Basil's Cathedral in Red Square (BTDT BTW)...... I wouldn't get too giddy yet after one successful Ukrainian counter offensive. Let's see how this shakes out before declaring "Mission Accomplished". There is still a LOT left to go before this is done.Moscow Officials Urge Putin to GTFO: 'Everything Went Wrong'
More and more Russian officials are urging Vladimir Putin to get the hell out of the Kremlin as Moscow suffered another series of humiliating defeats in Ukraine this weekend.
Just one day after several municipal deputies in Putin’s hometown of St. Petersburg called on the State Duma to try the Russian leader for treason, their colleagues in Moscow joined in and demanded he step down because his views are “hopelessly outdated.”
The open letter to Putin from municipal deputies in the Russian capital’s Lomonosovsky district started out by seemingly trying to let him down gently, telling him he had “good reforms” in his first term and part of his second.
But then, “everything went wrong,” the deputies said.
“The rhetoric that you and your subordinates use has been riddled with intolerance and aggression for a long time, which in the end effectively threw our country back into the Cold War era. Russia has again begun to be feared and hated, we are once again threatening the whole world with nuclear weapons,” the letter read.
“We ask you to relieve yourself of your post due to the fact that your views and your governance model are hopelessly outdated and hinder the development of Russia and its human potential,” the deputies said in closing.
Moscow Officials Urge Putin to GTFO: ‘Everything Went Wrong’
Their plea came as Putin’s deranged “special military operation” next door took a spectacular nosedive.www.thedailybeast.com
Putin is finished. The Ukrainians have him on the ropes with a stunning victory in their sights
By the time you read this article it will most probably be out of date, such is the speed of the advance of the Ukrainian armed forces.
Most likely the last 72 hours of warfare in Ukraine are going to be studied by generations of future military officers and historians. In summary, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have retaken over 2,500 sq km of Russian-occupied Ukraine.
And they have done this by punching a hole through thinly-guarded Russian front lines east of Kharkiv, and severing the Russian lines of logistics, forcing the withdrawal of large contingents of Russian soldiers from multiple locations, but most importantly Izyum and Kupyansk.
Without these two cities, Russia cannot effectively supply its forces in the north-east or the east of the country, and so further collapses, withdrawals and surrenders of Russian forces are to be expected.
In fact, as this article was being written, reports are emerging that the Ukrainians have retaken Donetsk Airport, and are heading for the Black Sea coast—either Mariupol, or Melitopol. It is a quite stunning success.
what does this mean?
For the war, it means that we are seeing the disintegration of Russian forces in Ukraine. They may be able to stabilise their lines temporarily, but we have crossed a point of no return. Russia's forces were previously poorly equipped, supplied and of low morale. To that list you can now add terrified of encirclement.
Some are worried that this will force Putin to use nuclear weapons, but as long as the Ukrainians stay within their borders this is unlikely—for Putin knows it will be the end of him, and potentially of Russia too.
Only a matter of time
Geographically, the Ukrainians are carving up the Russian forces into small pockets which they will deal with individually. The hardest of those pockets to defeat will be Russian forces in Crimea, but once Ukraine has isolated
them by destroying the Kerch bridge that runs between Crimea and Russia, it is only a matter of time.
The Russians are not going to be able to pull this together - we are witnessing an army in rapid decline, it is just a question of the speed at which it declines.
Of course, for Ukraine, this means that they are getting closer to their overall strategic goal: the removal of all Russian forces from the sovereignty territory of Ukraine.
This has been achieved with exceptional skill and bravery on their part, and huge losses of civilians and soldiers, including an estimated 1.5million Ukrainians who have been transferred to Russia. (Luckily they have captured and are capturing thousands of Russian soldiers and so these two groups may well be swapped.)
It has also been done with billions of dollars of weaponry, terabytes of intelligence data, and discrete operational advice from western countries, and especially the US and the UK.
But what does this mean for Russia?
Well, first and foremost it means that Putin could be finished. This has been his war. And it has not only failed, but achieved the opposite of what he said it would: Russia is now ostracised, sanctioned, has unified its enemies, and is about to have its army defeated in the field. This may seem like a good thing but there is only one thing worse than a strong Russia, and that is a weak one.
A weak Russia, with its leader defenestrated, leaves many unknown questions. Could there be a coup? Who takes over after Putin? Does Russia stay whole? What happens to the nuclear weapons — and Russia has over 5,000 of them while all of this is happening?
So while everyone’s eyes are focused on what is happening in Ukraine, I hope someone is thinking about what may be shortly to happen to Russia.
Dr Mike Martin is a War Studies Visiting Fellow at King's College London and author of Why We Fight.
Putin is finished. The Ukrainians have him on the ropes with a stunning victory in their sights
By the time you read this article it will most probably be out of date, such is the speed of the advance of the Ukrainian armed forces.news.yahoo.com
Olsonist
Disgusting Liberal Elitist
No, I think the US isn’t telling or advising the Ukes what to do vis a vis magical troop maneuvers. We’re giving them targeting intelligence like General Strokingov is at such and such a lat/lon. It would be a shame if something were to happen to him.
If anything, the Ukes seem to be teaching us a thing or two. But we are training them to NATO standards out of country. But in Ukistan, this is them, all them.
Burning Man
Super Anarchist
Disagree. Strongly. Giving them intel is one thing. A small country learning the ultra complex task of combined arms movement while on the offense is an entirely Post Doctorate level skill set. Gen Milley was interviewed this week and he talked about that exact thing, about how difficult it would be to shift from the defense to the offense and execute a complex counter-offensive. The Ukes have shown amazing bravery, skill, determination and aplomb. But I don't think that skill set would be in their toolbox without some American Advisors whispering in their ears suggesting that maybe you want to structure your forces like this, send that unit over there, this one here, target this unit with your HIMARS, that one with Air, etc, etc.
And i don't say that in anyway to take away from what the Ukis are doing or have achieved or to pound America's chest. I'm just saying that I think our level of involvement is a bit deeper than just sharing intel and supplying weapons. I hope it is deeper, and I hope it stays sekrit so that Ukistan and Zelensky get all the credit they deserve.
They seem to be surpassing the performance of recent (post 1945) US brass.
No, I think the US isn’t telling or advising the Ukes what to do vis a vis magical troop maneuvers. We’re giving them targeting intelligence like General Strokingov is at such and such a lat/lon. It would be a shame if something were to happen to him.
We may need to have them teach us how to use our weapons to win wars.
Sol Rosenberg
Girthy Member
Whatever it is, however it is getting done, I would like to see more of it. Helping Ukraine defend their freedom while destroying Russia and Vladimir Putin’s ability to meddle in our domestic affairs is fine by me. That is a great use of our tax dollars.
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barfy
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Ukrainians have practice, initiative at lots of levels, and a fierce thirst for revenge. When that gets highly mobile...just watch soldiers driving at speed smashing out heavy metal tunes.
The Intel they will be getting is of course at a forensic level, and advice for sure, but a three day smash and grab like this would be at the limits of even an opportunistic plan.
Ya think? My question is, when will the Ukrainians take down the bridge the Ruskies built between Crimea and Russia? That’s gonna make a big splash.
Olsonist
Disgusting Liberal Elitist
This was posted back in April, but it's still a good read. We've trained the hell out the Ukes since 2014. They've been completely remade. They're no longer a former Soviet Republic but rather a neo NATO military.
www.thebulwark.com
They WANT to be Western and they are willing to fight for it.
I Commanded U.S. Army Europe. Here's What I Saw in the Russian and Ukrainian Armies.
The two armies at war today couldn’t be more different.
www.thebulwark.com
They WANT to be Western and they are willing to fight for it.
Rooskies finding out the hard way that Syria isn't like Ukraine while rapidly running out generals.
Sounds like the wheels are getting a little loose.
shaggybaxter
Super Anarchist
That was a great read, thanks very much.This was posted back in April, but it's still a good read. We've trained the hell out the Ukes since 2014. They've been completely remade. They're no longer a former Soviet Republic but rather a neo NATO military.
I Commanded U.S. Army Europe. Here's What I Saw in the Russian and Ukrainian Armies.
The two armies at war today couldn’t be more different.
They WANT to be Western and they are willing to fight for it.
