Ukraine and Only Ukraine. If it isn't about Ukraine then fuck off

Mark_K

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I don't see putty's worry about Islamy fundies. He a couple of degrees of Kevin Bacon away from that, now that he's not trying to keep the central asian Stan's in check anymore.

As for Nukes and no panties in Bunches - I've been saying that since Feb when this all kicked off. You might to tell Meli aka @ShortForBob . She's mo debbly got panties in supreme bunches over that.
Russia's got way, way more reason to worry about fundies than we have. Something like 20% of the RU is muslim, and the fundies are right over the border. This is why they allowed us to use their railroads for supply in Afghanistan throughout the war. Why Flynn made so many Russian friends too. We shared intel and maintained an effective, nearly 100% cordial de-confliction program.

They are our natural allies in that conflict, just have a different opinion as to what the best way to go is.
 

hobie1616

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I wrote that we should not escalate the war and instead work to use economic and diplomatic means to shorten and help end the war to save the lives of Ukranians. This is very different that your claim that it is an "American-caused war"

You clearly acknowledge that your first post was an outright lie, because you corrected it in your second post.

So why do you lie? Compulsion?
As long as you're here, could you fill us in on your alma mater, Shipping & Receiving University?

Did you attend S&R U for your undergrad degree?

Were you a frat bro? Which one? Did you enjoy spanking pledges? Did you enjoy being spanked?

Were you on any teams? If football, did you wear a helmet?

Is it true that S&R U's mascot is the forklift?
 

Olsonist

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Russia's got way, way more reason to worry about fundies than we have. Something like 20% of the RU is muslim, and the fundies are right over the border. This is why they allowed us to use their railroads for supply in Afghanistan throughout the war. Why Flynn made so many Russian friends too. We shared intel and maintained an effective, nearly 100% cordial de-confliction program.

They are our natural allies in that conflict, just have a different opinion as to what the best way to go is.

That conflict started in 2001 and Putin came to power in 2000. Your analysis is probably correct circa 2001. But after Putin solidified his grip on power, things changed and Russia's interests changed. They were launching our satellites then. Despite W the Stupid looking deeply into Putin's eyes and seeing his soul, they have hunter killer satellites tracking ours now. They were paying bounties on Americans.

Things change.

No, Russia is not our natural ally in that or in any conflict. They were our ally in WWII, but not our natural ally. Our natural ally in the Middle East would have been Iran circa Mosaddegh (they even offered to help us in Afghanistan post-9/11 except that W the Stupid was too stupid). However, we burned that bridge as a favor to BP; and burned it again and again. Instead, Saudi Arabia is our unnatural 'ally' now. How's that working out?

I like this Ben Hodges take but it may be wishful thinking. The trouble with it is that Putin has been spending billions over decades to create a personal security apparatus which would probably defeat his own army.

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Raz'r

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As long as you're here, could you fill us in on your alma mater, Shipping & Receiving University?

Did you attend S&R U for your undergrad degree?

Were you a frat bro? Which one? Did you enjoy spanking pledges? Did you enjoy being spanked?

Were you on any teams? If football, did you wear a helmet?

Is it true that S&R U's mascot is the forklift?
uh oh, you're about to be the subject of a dissertation on the wealthy "bouji" and how they look down on the true heart of America, the workers who ship your amazon packages.
(Bouji is the new kid slang term to dis their wealth'ish parents)
 
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Chris in Santa Cruz CA

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That conflict started in 2001 and Putin came to power in 2000. Your analysis is probably correct circa 2001. But after Putin solidified his grip on power, things changed and Russia's interests changed. They were launching our satellites then. Despite W the Stupid looking deeply into Putin's eyes and seeing his soul, they have hunter killer satellites tracking ours now. They were paying bounties on Americans.

Things change.

No, Russia is not our natural ally in that or in any conflict. They were our ally in WWII, but not our natural ally. Our natural ally in the Middle East would have been Iran circa Mosaddegh (they even offered to help us in Afghanistan post-9/11 except that W the Stupid was too stupid). However, we burned that bridge as a favor to BP; and burned it again and again. Instead, Saudi Arabia is our unnatural 'ally' now. How's that working out?

I like this Ben Hodges take but it may be wishful thinking. The trouble with it is that Putin has been spending billions over decades to create a personal security apparatus which would probably defeat his own army.

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Well if this happens without a nuke going off we definitely need to get in there grab the nukes this time. We fucked that up back in the 90's.
 

Olsonist

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Well if this happens without a nuke going off we definitely need to get in there grab the nukes this time. We fucked that up back in the 90's.

H and Bill did as good a job as was possible then. I don’t think Russia’s nukes were on offer.

Now is different and I don’t think Versailles 2 style reparations are a good idea. But if Russia wants sanctions off, the nukes, they gotta go. But I don’t expect that will happen.
 

Mark_K

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That conflict started in 2001 and Putin came to power in 2000. Your analysis is probably correct circa 2001. But after Putin solidified his grip on power, things changed and Russia's interests changed. They were launching our satellites then. Despite W the Stupid looking deeply into Putin's eyes and seeing his soul, they have hunter killer satellites tracking ours now. They were paying bounties on Americans.

Things change.

No, Russia is not our natural ally in that or in any conflict. They were our ally in WWII, but not our natural ally. Our natural ally in the Middle East would have been Iran circa Mosaddegh (they even offered to help us in Afghanistan post-9/11 except that W the Stupid was too stupid). However, we burned that bridge as a favor to BP; and burned it again and again. Instead, Saudi Arabia is our unnatural 'ally' now. How's that working out?

I like this Ben Hodges take but it may be wishful thinking. The trouble with it is that Putin has been spending billions over decades to create a personal security apparatus which would probably defeat his own army.

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Russia's fear of Islamic fundies goes WAY back. They are a natural ally in that struggle. The Saudis are our ally simply because they fundies hate them as well, they call the House of Saud US stooges. Iran is Shiite, and the fundies of this Jihadist era are takfiri Sunnis who view Shia as a waste of skin.
 

Burning Man

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Russia's fear of Islamic fundies goes WAY back. They are a natural ally in that struggle. The Saudis are our ally simply because they fundies hate them as well, they call the House of Saud US stooges. Iran is Shiite, and the fundies of this Jihadist era are takfiri Sunnis who view Shia as a waste of skin.
Sunnis hate shias with a fire and passion 1000x more than any western infidels. While we might be non-muzzie heathens - we are at least typically considered "of the book". Even Jews are regarded far more highly than Shias. Non-muslims are tolerated (to a point) because we don't know any better. They view shia as deliberately saying "Fuck you" to uncle Mo and the koran.

As an aside, the only real reason the jews are/were hated is because the ME muzzies got their asses handed to them on numerous occasions and they were still butthurt about that up until very recently. My one big lesson after living over in the sandbox for 10 years was never embarrass an arab. They will never forget or forgive, as their egos are very fragile.
 

Olsonist

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It’s probably more complicated. Shia are welcome in Mecca for the Hajj.

I was wrong when I said that that conflict started in 2001. It started in the 70s. Moreover, we basically put bounties on Russian heads then. So we kinda deserve what we got later.

Russia is not our natural ally in that conflict because we don’t even know what we’re doing there. But the Russians are only half an epsilon smarter than us, maybe. They don’t really know what they’re doing either but they’re closer.

No, Russia/Putin is not smart. If they were they’d take advantage of this energy windfall and fix their own country. Instead it has become a resource curse.

Ukraine on the other hand is taking advantage of this one time opportunity to get away from Russia and join the West. They’re willing to die for that.
 

Mark_K

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Sunnis hate shias with a fire and passion 1000x more than any western infidels. While we might be non-muzzie heathens - we are at least typically considered "of the book". Even Jews are regarded far more highly than Shias. Non-muslims are tolerated (to a point) because we don't know any better. They view shia as deliberately saying "Fuck you" to uncle Mo and the koran.

As an aside, the only real reason the jews are/were hated is because the ME muzzies got their asses handed to them on numerous occasions and they were still butthurt about that up until very recently. My one big lesson after living over in the sandbox for 10 years was never embarrass an arab. They will never forget or forgive, as their egos are very fragile.
It's come and gone through the centuries. Sometimes they go to war but most of the time they get along. Particularly where the Turks were concerned. It's interesting to note that the Arab Revolt against the Turks at the beginning of the 20th century the Shiite Nuri Said was the best, most respected and honored general of the Sharif of Mecca at the time....and it bothered precisely nobody.
 

Left Shift

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Well if this happens without a nuke going off we definitely need to get in there grab the nukes this time. We fucked that up back in the 90's.
Sure, just "get in there" and find 5,000 warheads in a vast landscape that makes North America look like an easy search site. Sure, just "get in there". After all, they can still blow up the world if we only find 95% of them.
 

mikewof

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You’ve gone on and on about how it’s a client state war with the us on one side, Russia on the other. Sounds like you used to believe the US was prolonging the war, which implies causation.

Your logical leaps of faith don't work so well when your logic is flawed.

Russia started that war, our Client State had far less to do with it than Russia's or China's client states. You wrote this ...

@mikewof still thinks this is an American-caused war

You knew that was nonsense, you knew I didn't write that, but you grabbed it anyway, because your disinformation apparently satisfied some need that you had.
 

mikewof

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Russia is our natural ally of course.

Against the specter of global thermonuclear war, yes, Russia is our natural ally. We have worked together for about 75 years to successfully avoid it and work to get the NPT in place.

Even as Britain works to ramp up their nuclear efforts and Russia acts the regional scofflaw against the Ukraine, Russia has still honored their NPT obligations. Soon enough, the war in the Ukraine will be over, and we will move onto other things, and if we are lucky, we will continue to live in a world unmolested by a global thermonuclear war.
 

mikewof

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As long as you're here, could you fill us in on your alma mater, Shipping & Receiving University?

Did you attend S&R U for your undergrad degree?

Were you a frat bro? Which one? Did you enjoy spanking pledges? Did you enjoy being spanked?

Were you on any teams? If football, did you wear a helmet?

Is it true that S&R U's mascot is the forklift?

It's kinda depressing that you, @Raz'r and @Ease the sheet. so happily shit all over the millions of blue collar logistics workers who keep our economy running.

You three likely circle-jerk to pictures of Jeff Bezos and happily fund union-busting techniques even as you enjoy the fruits of their labor.
 




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