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Oh those treaties we refused to uphold in 2014. Neglected this thread. Sorry there’s a lot of wooly pated responses that I could feast on.
Really JBSF? You insist on reducing the Nonproliferation Treaty to a reality show?I missed it. Is the UK PM going on National TV and saying they will use Nukes against France if they have to, and no she's Not Kidding?
If anyone uses a nuke in a war, it will lead to global thermonuclear war. Your theories are the ravings of a lunatic.Why TF would the UKR want to nuke their own territory??? If russian uses a nuke against the UKR, I'd say let them lob one at Moscow. In fact, I'd be OK if they borrowed a couple of B-2s and 6-9 B-61 Mod12s from us to use against Putin's bunker.
All Bravado aside.....My real question is what does the US, NATO and Europe do if Russia pops off a Nuke in the UKR?? I think Putin is betting on the Flop that the West folds out of fear of a Nuke exchange escalating and lets UKR twist in the wind. I hope not, but I have a strong suspicion that will happen. The Euros especially...... I fear they will go "Yanno, we liked our nice warm houses heated by Russian gas during the winter. And besides, what is Ukraine to us anyway? Maybe this little dust up isn't really our business anyway".
Ok Wofesy, how are the signatories replenishing their mistakes?Really JBSF? You insist on reducing the Nonproliferation Treaty to a reality show?
The NPT has specific requirements about disarmament, it has nothing to do with political saber-rattling.
Russia is a mess, run by a murderous tyrant, and they have stayed compliant with their NPT obligations. Britain is a highly organized industrial power run by a sporadically ineffectual parliament that has managed to now shit all over their NPT obligations.
So yeah, you missed it, specifically the part how NPT signatories are supposed to reduce the size of their stockpiles, not increase them.
Really JBSF? You insist on reducing the Nonproliferation Treaty to a reality show?
They are still more NPT compliant than Britain and nobody said shit about Britain.
Yep, the UK definitely fucked up. Regardless of the fact that :
The non nuclear states agreed to stay non nuclear on the conditions of a continual reduction. So the UK will absolutely breach the agreement if they do.
- it is still not 5% of Russian or US numbers; and
- the number is to carry a full loadout on the existing SSBNs, not add any additional air or ground capability;
On the surface yes. But in any other context, that's utter shite. No fucking way are the two even comparable.
You seriously think that Russia is more anti-escalation than the UK?
And another Mikey...really fucking recently....
Russia has blocked an agreement at the United Nations that was aimed at bolstering the nuclear non-proliferation treaty (NPT) because Moscow objected to a clause about control over the Zaporizhzhia power plant in Ukraine.
The failure to agree to a joint statement after four weeks of debate and negotiation among 151 countries at the UN in New York is the latest blow to hopes of maintaining an arms control regime and keeping a lid on a rekindled arms race.
The closing session was put off for more than four hours over Russian refusal to agree to a lengthy statement of support for the NPT which included a reference to the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, which is occupied by Russian forces close to the frontline in Ukraine’s south-east.
Alarm was raised on Thursday when the plant was temporarily cut off from the Ukrainian electricity grid but the connection was restored. Russian forces are reportedly planning to sever the plant more permanently from the grid, raising concerns of a possible disaster.
So tell me again how the UK are worse than Russia?
OK. As analogies go, that's weirdMaybe I can explain this in terms you will understand...
The neighborhood bully throws a bunch of rocks at you. You and the other kids recognize the source of these rocks and you all band together to successfully defend yourselves against the bully.
You then celebrate your victory over the bully at the local ice cream shop. And as you and your friends celebrate with your Rocky Road and your Swizzleberry Swirl, you look up to see that the old man proprietor of the ice cream shop has a racked and loaded shotgun pointed at the lot of you in an effort to impress his spinster girlfriend.
Right. So the US has made it public knowledge that the POTUS is always within reach of the "football" (an overt threat) and the UK is the bad guy? Really?It makes about as much sense as a marginal nuclear power (with a largely superfluous nuclear arsenal) deciding to destabilize a global nuclear treaty in order distract from failures of internal politics.