Ukraine and Only Ukraine. If it isn't about Ukraine then fuck off

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Raz'r said:
Back to serious questions, new hardware aside, how long can Ukraine hold on in a war of attrition?
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In a straight-up war of attrition, Ukraine loses. A couple of years is the longest estimate I've seen, for sustaining the war. They have to make another break-out move.
 
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Steam Flyer said:
In a straight-up war of attrition, Ukraine loses. A couple of years is the longest estimate I've seen, for sustaining the war. They have to make another break-out move.
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That depends on how much equipment the west provides. If the west actually commits then ukraine wins this easily. There is no way russia can keep up with western supplies, if the west steps on the gas even a little.
 
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Ishmael said:
They need long-range weapons so they can take out the Kerch bridge, among other things. Their best bet is to strangle Russian supply lines.
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Fortunately Russia is playing Risk like a child, attacking at every opportunity with little accumulation of strength and no planning. They seem intent on recapturing burned out ghost towns to assuage the humiliation instead of tactical targets. They capture what they can before Ukraine can organize and train on their new equipment. This reflects Putin’s willingness to replace generals that don’t get fast results, and the abundance of windows in Russia.
 
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‘We killed three Russians’: the secretive Ukrainian special forces taking the fight across the border

The taskforce of five men set off at 7am, easily stalking through the forests and fields, to cross into Russia. “We walked all day,” says Taras. “Then we spent the night at the location and at 9am we heard a helicopter. I had a small reconnaissance drone with me and it confirmed it was the same helicopter.

“We fired from a portable anti-aircraft missile system at a helicopter from a distance of 4km. Unfortunately, we didn’t see the hit as we were so far away, but we heard the explosion. And then we quickly fled from our positions. We left behind the tripod used for the portable anti-aircraft missile system. We returned twice as fast.”

The small taskforces, often just four or five soldiers, work out where the safe routes lie into Russia by examining the movement of livestock, or taking the advice of those who smuggled contraband before the war.
 
Steam Flyer

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mathystuff said:
Steam Flyer said:
In a straight-up war of attrition, Ukraine loses. A couple of years is the longest estimate I've seen, for sustaining the war. They have to make another break-out move.
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That depends on how much equipment the west provides. If the west actually commits then ukraine wins this easily. There is no way russia can keep up with western supplies, if the west steps on the gas even a little.
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This is why it's critically important for UKR to maintain it's energy and transport infrastructure behind the lines and all the way west; while destroying as much as possible of RUS supply.

UKR can only win the war of attrition with full and continuing support -and- very little impediment getting that support to the fighting front. RUS has a lot more men and equipment, with the numbers on paper it would be difficult to imagine them losing. They're just really bad at this, but getting better.
 
d'ranger

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Russian is grinding troops for very little gains and Ukraine allows them to continue. Now RU has to storm the ramparts on Feb24 because Putin wants it. It's almost like he never read about how Hitler won the war or something. The minimum losses are running at least 3x Ukraine and likely much higher, Ukraine can get their wounded well again. If RU does go ahead with the Putin master plan I predict their losses will double before the mud dries.

slava Ukraine
 
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Remember when we started sending those precision munitions?
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-730624
A rare Russian Arctic TOR-M2DT air defense system was destroyed for the first time in the platform's service history by Ukrainian artillery, the Ukrainian Defense Ministry said on Thursday.


Ukrainian artillerymen hit the TOR-M2DT with shells after the location of the system was scouted by a drone, the ministry said, posting a video mocking how the anti-air platform had been extolled in Russian media.

So, best not leave your toys outside. They blew up some other hardware real good as well, not going back for the sources.
 
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d'ranger said:
Remember when we started sending those precision munitions?
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-730624
A rare Russian Arctic TOR-M2DT air defense system was destroyed for the first time in the platform's service history by Ukrainian artillery, the Ukrainian Defense Ministry said on Thursday.


Ukrainian artillerymen hit the TOR-M2DT with shells after the location of the system was scouted by a drone, the ministry said, posting a video mocking how the anti-air platform had been extolled in Russian media.

So, best not leave your toys outside. They blew up some other hardware real good as well, not going back for the sources.
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Stop fighting with your hands behind your back. The carnage needs to cease.
 
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The news somehow went unnoticed that a Ukrainian drone with a 100-kg FAB-100 bomb flew 300 kilometers over Russia and fell before reaching 150 kilometers to Moscow.
FoWo__LXEAEciuP
 
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