Ukraine and Only Ukraine. If it isn't about Ukraine then fuck off

billy backstay

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Mark_K said:
Who is suggesting that?
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In the link:

While scholars universally agree that the cause of the famine was man-made, whether the Holodomor constitutes a genocide remains in dispute.[16][17][18][19] Some historians conclude that the famine was planned and exacerbated by Joseph Stalin in order to eliminate a Ukrainian independence movement.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor#cite_note-Britannica_"Holodomor"-21[20] Others suggest that the famine arose because of rapid Soviet industrialisation and collectivization of agriculture.[21][22][23]
 
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LeoV

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Russia, it seems they think speed will let you pass over mines without damage.
Two more anti-tank mines were successfully destroyed by Russian troops in the Vuhledar front.
 
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Mark_K

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LeoV said:
Your knowledge of Russia and Ukraine pre war is very Russia propaganda tinted.
Lies about government takeover and NATO, basically just singing to Russias tune.Too lazy to actually read something about it.

Urkaines industrialization did start before USSR, and continued.logical progress. It is not that USSR brought it to Ukraine, as Russian propaganda says.
Russia and Ukraine were both farmers based, and started industrialization at the same time. That was called the industrial revolution. USSR brought nothing. Can not claim anything in that aspect.
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Your ability to discern analysis from advocacy is all but non-existent, and you appear limited to contradiction, at least in this language, so consider putting a brake on your reflexive urge to insult people.
 
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billy backstay said:
In the link:

While scholars universally agree that the cause of the famine was man-made, whether the Holodomor constitutes a genocide remains in dispute.[16][17][18][19] Some historians conclude that the famine was planned and exacerbated by Joseph Stalin in order to eliminate a Ukrainian independence movement.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor#cite_note-Britannica_"Holodomor"-21[20] Others suggest that the famine arose because of rapid Soviet industrialisation and collectivization of agriculture.[21][22][23]
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My comment was in reference to the last line of his post.
 
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slug zitski

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Bakhmut is now surrounded …15,000 Ukrainian troops are trapped

will Zelensky order surrender or will he let them all die …

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Ease the sheet.

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Mark_K said:
Who is suggesting that?
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Posting about the things USSR/Russia built in Ukraine, for the benefit of the USSR/Russia, without mentioning the cost to Ukraine is one sided spin.

Hiding behind "commentary is not advocacy" is to be naive about language. At best...
 
sparau

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slug zitski said:
Bakhmut is now surrounded …15,000 Ukrainian troops are trapped

will Zelensky order surrender or will he let them all die …
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I notice you've never said hearing the news of 1,000's of Russians dying, 'will Putin stop the war or let them all die".

Then I realised it was an implicit admission of the difference, Putin is a fuckhead who places zero value on his countryman's lives, of course he will let them die, it will be causing Zelensky tremendous emotional pain.

In choosing to support the shithead I submit that you are, by self admission, of the same mind.
 
woodtick

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Mark_K said:
Christ.

Just because you don't like something doesn't make it Russian propaganda. Most of the dams, much of the aviation and aluminum industry and all the nuke power plants went in during the time it was part of the USSR. When the world's largest steel plant go in? 1930s. This is besides the point to boot. I suggest you re-read my comment for meaning.

As to the assertion Russia was just a bunch of farmers before the USSR:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrialization_in_the_Russian_Empire
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Ok. What do you think Ukraine would have achieved without their uncle overseeing them? The last 50 years will do.
 
phill_nz

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woodtick said:
Ok. What do you think Ukraine would have achieved without their uncle overseeing them? The last 50 years will do.
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---clarification needed

1 / .. using the rushtard political system of kleptocracy and serfdom
or
2/ proceeding with the current ukrainian political desire to move towards a more inclusive open honest society

the 2 will effect the answers quite considerably
 
sparau

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Goodvibes said:
Do I listen to some anonymous flag sucking posters on the interweb.

OR

Noam Chomsky?

I dunno, hard choice. I should have listen more at school.
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Score for analysis and objective reasoning = zero.
Score for appreciation of truth and freedom of self determination = zero.
Score for random listening to an opinion = 10.
Fair enough sir, at least we know where you stand.
 
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