Ukraine and Only Ukraine. If it isn't about Ukraine then fuck off

Drunkonwatch

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I bet if you ask anyone involved in war making in the last 25 years they would trade all the time in the sandbox and jungle for a chance to crush orcs. I know I would be one of them. Why not just claim no fly zone right now maybe a few of the navy pilots could pull there weight for once in the defense of all the kids. Everyone gets all squirmy when it’s college educated pilots and high dollar jets.
 

phillysailor

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So Jeff, when US jets start shooting down Russian planes with paratroops on board, and the Orcs fly planes carrying Ukranian kids as tempting targets, will a No-Fly zone remain a good idea?

Sorry, a shootin match is great fun for the pilots, but I’d prefer we stay out of the war for now.

As it is, we are seeing Putin destroy Wagner and his best military assets and all we have to do is spend a couple hundred billion.

It’s a bargain, a fire sale.
 

Drunkonwatch

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Watch China balloon view how slow the sleeping giant wakes from its shell producing slumber. It might be part of a larger plan to watch the west use up its ammo paint ball sports 101.
 

Drunkonwatch

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So Jeff, when US jets start shooting down Russian planes with paratroops on board, and the Orcs fly planes carrying Ukranian kids as tempting targets, will a No-Fly zone remain a good idea?

Sorry, a shootin match is great fun for the pilots, but I’d prefer we stay out of the war for now.

As it is, we are seeing Putin destroy Wagner and his best military assets and all we have to do is spend a couple hundred billion.

It’s a bargain, a fire sale.

Isolationist Americans always equate fiscal matters with children in rubble piles from orc missiles. This whole war should be rebranded as saving the Russians from there rulers liberation of the beautiful Russian people from the chains of there masters.
 

spankoka

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Yes, if foreign volunteers can be infantry I don't know why they can't be pilots. On the other hand, I suppose from the Japanese perspective they were already at war with the US on December 7, 1941.
 

Drunkonwatch

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Yes, if foreign volunteers can be infantry I don't know why they can't be pilots. On the other hand, I suppose from the Japanese perspective they were already at war with the US on December 7, 1941.
Japan was at war with world made very little difference what was happening in Manchuria same will apply here when China has to chose between every western market and following Putin’s wargasm to hell. Funny how we got everyone to swallow the Iraq war and establish a coalition but not when the enemy is worthy of the effort.
 

d'ranger

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It's pretty much a no fly zone for Russia now. Included is an NPR piece on the state of the air war there.

Russia learned a very painful and expensive lesson early on how easy it is to down their planes. There are good reasons the US military is under civilian control.
 

Steam Flyer

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Yes, if foreign volunteers can be infantry I don't know why they can't be pilots. On the other hand, I suppose from the Japanese perspective they were already at war with the US on December 7, 1941.

Been done. Ever heard of the Lafayette Escadrille?

[edit to add] I see DW has already mentioned Chennault's Flying Tigers
 

Raz'r

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I guess Wagner Group had better keep their promise to discharge these men, or else they will have some severe morale and discipline problems! Rightly or wrongly, the Russian approach to mental health care seems to involve a lot of alcohol.
You know, there's a hidden benefit. 10,000 killed wagner troops is 10,000 fewer prisoners. Yeah, I know not all of them were prisoners...
 

LeoV

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One partial solution would be to give everything that could disrupt logistics.
That the Kerch bridge is almost 100% functional again and airfields in Crimea still operating... full speed ahead with help for Ukraine to let them make their own missiles. As delivering ATACMS is political to difficult.
 

Burning Man

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So Jeff, when US jets start shooting down Russian planes with paratroops on board, and the Orcs fly planes carrying Ukranian kids as tempting targets, will a No-Fly zone remain a good idea?

Sorry, a shootin match is great fun for the pilots, but I’d prefer we stay out of the war for now.

As it is, we are seeing Putin destroy Wagner and his best military assets and all we have to do is spend a couple hundred billion.

It’s a bargain, a fire sale.
Tell that to all the 1000s on 1000s of Ukrainians being slaughtered in pootin's scorched earth policy. I doubt they would appreciate the bargain they are paying for.

Imagine, if we had taken the same mindset in WWII and just sent arms to the UK and Russia and let them all kill each other and sat on the sidelines nice and safe. Oh wait..... we did exactly that. How did that work out for us?? We got drawn in anyway to a World War that ended up with millions of dead combatants, even more civilians and 6 million Jews in the ovens. Had we put a stop to Hitler early before he gained ground, as our allies were begging us to do - there might have been a more favorable outcome. Sure we could "What if" this all day long.

But there are times when the moral thing to do is the right thing.
 

Drunkonwatch

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I'm thinking the Ukrainians need to, and want to, fight their own battle here. They just need more materiel and money from the 50 or so nations that have supported Ukraine so far.

Just out of pride they don’t refuse foreigners in the volunteer brigades now. Don’t worry no ones asking you to risk your life in battle with orcs just send more piles of gold lol. Just like the Iraq war it’s the rich who profit from the contracts to send aide. Halliburton etc this just the lefts time to skim off the top while children die.
 

Drunkonwatch

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I guess should have just left ww2 well
Enough alone right? Why did we wait until it was fortress Europe to be ground into the sand and mud for what? Lol
 

phillysailor

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Jeffy thinks he could wave a wand and stop Putin from using nukes. Warmongers are just waiting for their counterpart to escalate so they can use their bigger, badder toys.

Stand down and leave US strategy to Biden.
 

Drunkonwatch

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Jeffy thinks he could wave a wand and stop Putin from using nukes. Warmongers are just waiting for their counterpart to escalate so they can use their bigger, badder toys.

Stand down and leave US strategy to Biden.
Biden needs help getting dressed I hope they have better minds working on it than him. No I’m not a righty lol
 


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