Ukraine and Only Ukraine. If it isn't about Ukraine then fuck off

Rain Man

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Withdrawing Russian troops from the Bakhmut flanks might be a way for Putin to let Ukraine finish off Wagner. Payback for Prigozhin's offer to disclose Russian positions, if that report has any truth, and his recent belligerence towards Putin.
 

hobie1616

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Important victory for Ukraine: They downed 6 of Russia's hypersonic Kinzhal missiles. Putin previously said about the missile travelling 10 times faster than speed of sound, it “allows it to overcome all existing & I think, prospective anti-aircraft/missile defense systems.
Russia over-hyped the sonic part.

Future researchers will apply for another job.
Another marketing department out of control.
 

Mark_K

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mark, no reply to this message? War crimes are a horrible thing and largely preventable with proper leadership within a combatant. My Lai was a bug, not a feature.
It still happened. As did Haditha. There's usually incidents like those to be found in wars. That they happened does not mean they are a feature.

I don't see much in common between the Chinese civil war and this conflict, but it's apparent the Russians went in believing there would be little resistance. They counted on little resistance, actually. Mao knew his was a war for hearts and minds of the people right from the git-go.
 

Mark_K

Super Anarchist
If only it was. Sometimes "the law is an ass" -as Charles Dickens put it.

In Somalia there were orphans all over the place. It was heartbreaking. Wars make a lot of orphans. Hell of a lot of us were hoping that some kind of foreign adoption process could take place. Leaving behind all those little kids in a place like Mog? Well, we would've been some mighty happy war criminals ourselves, for the most part, if we could've managed it.

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The Russians have a collective memory of their own terrible war and all the orphans and the need to do something. A church lady recommended this to Putin. It should shock nobody.
 

Ex Machina

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It's a live-fire test of both systems. Aiming the missiles AT the AAD batteries was not stupid -if- you think there is a fairly high probability of success. It just becomes another round of battery-counterbattery just like with artillery. Knocking out the other guys' assets is a good strategy.

They fucked around and found out.
Good point , more ominously they may also be testing the percentage of duds vs good for possible future alternative warheads ? Shooting them down overhead is all good and well until they send a nasty one
 

Fakenews

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He is doubling down on his defense of Russians kidnapping Ukrainian children, saying it was done with the best of intentions. I will never understand why some Americans and westerners want to carry water for a fascist like Putin
i think he’s an ex cop with an affinity for authoritarian figures doesn’t matter the stripe.
 

Mark_K

Super Anarchist
The Russian high command is just unbelievably dumb.

Not confirmed but apparently they aimed the missiles at the Patriot batteries. Thereby simplifying the target solution. And Kyiv is obviously going to have the most ADA resources.
They may be thinking attrition of Patriot missile stocks and keeping at least some of them them in Kyiv, away from the fronts.
 

Go Left

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If only it was. Sometimes "the law is an ass" -as Charles Dickens put it.

In Somalia there were orphans all over the place. It was heartbreaking. Wars make a lot of orphans. Hell of a lot of us were hoping that some kind of foreign adoption process could take place. Leaving behind all those little kids in a place like Mog? Well, we would've been some mighty happy war criminals ourselves, for the most part, if we could've managed it.

children-following-us-marines.jpg


a-us-navy-hospital-corpsman-right-treats-the-neck-infection-of-a-young-somali-057cee-1024.jpg


The Russians have a collective memory of their own terrible war and all the orphans and the need to do something. A church lady recommended this to Putin. It should shock nobody.
"A church lady". Now there are three words to strike terror into any normal human being.
 

Bristol-Cruiser

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yyyyIt still happened. As did Haditha. There's usually incidents like those to be found in wars. That they happened does not mean they are a feature.

I don't see much in common between the Chinese civil war and this conflict, but it's apparent the Russians went in believing there would be little resistance. They counted on little resistance, actually. Mao knew his was a war for hearts and minds of the people right from the git-go.
You think Putin might have figured out he was in a hearts and minds situation too. Remember in China's history every army and warlord for a couple of millennia used rape and pillage as features. Mao quite brilliantly said to himself we are going to do things differently. I have no idea what level of control Putin and those around him had on the soldiers in the field but if he really wanted to 'liberate' Ukraine he could have had the first guys who raped a woman, kidnapped a child, or stole a washing machine shot. It would have improved 'morale' and clarified the reason for the attack.
 

Mark_K

Super Anarchist
You think Putin might have figured out he was in a hearts and minds situation too. Remember in China's history every army and warlord for a couple of millennia used rape and pillage as features. Mao quite brilliantly said to himself we are going to do things differently. I have no idea what level of control Putin and those around him had on the soldiers in the field but if he really wanted to 'liberate' Ukraine he could have had the first guys who raped a woman, kidnapped a child, or stole a washing machine shot. It would have improved 'morale' and clarified the reason for the attack.
I suspect he would've set up some kind of discipline, but they fell for their own bullshit. Just like Cheney and Rumsfeld did. "They will welcome us a liberators" and "Six weeks, six days, I doubt six months". They imagined the population welcoming them. Probably pictured Ukrainian babushkas eagerly serving their boys hot borscht and bread from their kitchens.
 



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