Ukraine

[LeoV]

"Antonivsky bridge today. Yes, again Yesterday's videos made it clear that the bridge is damaged, but the passage is possible. For now, the orcs have blocked the bridge indefinitely.

Another logistic hurdle for the Russians. And a good practice run for Crimea bridges too.
If the Russians are forced to retreat, they would have blown it up anyway.

Russian state-owned news agency TASS:
"The #Russian air defense system intercepted 10 missiles fired by the AFU at #Kherson"
Two hours later:
"#Ukraine has shelled the bridge across the Dnipro River in the Kherson region (...). 12 rockets were fired, 11 of them hit the bridge".

 

[Ease the sheet.]

Apparently it depends on the country e.g. USA's don't, UK's do.

A quick look shows UK are same as US. But it was a quick look...


India's p8"s do have a mad, so it's obviously an option.


Curious as to why the US haven't equipped theirs with a mad considering the aircraft it replaces has one...

 

[LeoV]

Short range missile test;

 

[Ex Machina]

There’s a lot of listening gear being deployed today

 

[enigmatically2]

So you don't understand that P8's aren't equipped with a mad?

As has been said, some do. And so do Orion's that I mentioned

 

[enigmatically2]

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Are you suggesting some ships are more off limits than others?

It's not that some ships (or boats) are. If a submarine is stupid enough to patrol on the surface and be detected by radar the no issue. It's the act of using sonobuoys or dipping sonar or whatever that pushes it over the edge into an agressive act.
Just as the use of a fire control radar is certain modes can be an escalatory action

 

[enigmatically2]

they can be deployed from anything .. they are basically just a box

there are reasons why this isnt fact or what would happen .. to do with what safeties are programmed in so they dont sink their own launch ship

They cannot. For example they cannot be deployed from an SU-25 because they weigh far too much. I doubt they could be laid by any other Ukranian fast jet, even if the Ukranians ignored all usual need for testing, type approval etc and accepted a lot of risk(which they might). They would still be vulnerable deploying where they would really be needed anyway

They do if course have mechanisms to prevent them engaging the wrong vessel. But such safeguards are far from foolproof. It would be a political decision to allow their use in a body of water where the Ukranians are trying open up for merchant traffic and blaming the Russians for not doing so

 

[Steam Flyer]

They cannot. For example they cannot be deployed from an SU-25 because they weigh far too much. I doubt they could be laid by any other Ukranian fast jet, even if the Ukranians ignored all usual need for testing, type approval etc and accepted a lot of risk(which they might). They would still be vulnerable deploying where they would really be needed anyway

They do if course have mechanisms to prevent them engaging the wrong vessel. But such safeguards are far from foolproof. It would be a political decision to allow their use in a body of water where the Ukranians are trying open up for merchant traffic and blaming the Russians for not doing so

Yes, agreed... it would be a bad idea for UKR to put CAPTORs anywhere even remotely nearby to shipping traffic lanes.

As for the risk of escalation by giving ASW help, yes it's a risk. So is doing anything, against a foe whose nuclear doctrine is that nuking an enemy is "de-escalation." IMHO the best option is for UKR to have the capability to strike the Russian sub bases, as this removes the threat of sub-launched missiles hitting UKR cities along with being a threat to Russia's other capabilities.

Still not seeing signs that UKR has achieved fire superiority along a significant area of the front. That's the first step they need to make. Hopefully they are planning to Dien Bien Phu the orcs.

 

[enigmatically2]

Still not seeing signs that UKR has achieved fire superiority along a significant area of the front. That's the first step they need to make. Hopefully they are planning to Dien Bien Phu the orcs.

I think there are signs. I'm not saying its conclusive but the destruction of several ammo dumps far behind the line looks like the HIMARs being put to good use. Now its down to how well their recon is.

 

[dogwatch]

A quick look shows UK are same as US. But it was a quick look...

It also has coastal surveillance capability. The P-8 is fitted with advanced magnetic anomaly detection system for submarine tracking. The Poseidon can be used for search and rescue operations.

A look at Britain’s new submarine hunter, the Poseidon

ukdefencejournal.org.uk

Or there is this:

BAE Sytems in the US is developing the High Altitude ASW (HAASW) Unmanned Targeting Air System (UTAS). This is a small dispensable drone equipped with a Magnetic Anomaly Detector (MAD) that can be dropped from the P-8A weapons bay at high altitude. Previous MPAs (and India’s P-8i) have a MAD boom on the tail of the aircraft which require the aircraft to fly at low level over the suspected contact. Small changes in the earth’s magnetic field are detected if there is a submarine present. MAD has only a short detection range but is a useful tool for localising and confirming the presence of a submarine if no active sonar emitter is available. UTAS will enable this to be done by the P-8A at high altitude without the need to descend.

UK maritime patrol aircraft - P-8 Posiedon (Part 1) | Navy Lookout

From 2019 the RAF will receive deliveries of the P-8A Poseidon. Looking at equipment integration issues and the roles of the aircraft in service.

www.navylookout.com

 

[pluscount]

HIMARS and the M270 are "game changers" if we give them enough launchers and rockets. Here are 6 hits from 60 miles (96 km.) Not a bad CEP (circular error probable.)

 

[Stingray~]

^ That river is pretty big...

This bridge, is it the one downstream from the massive dam holding back an enormous reservoir? Let's hope nobody hits that thing, it would be catastrophic.

 

[chesirecat]

No comment

 

[phill_nz]

They do if course have mechanisms to prevent them engaging the wrong vessel. But such safeguards are far from foolproof. It would be a political decision to allow their use in a body of water where the Ukranians are trying open up for merchant traffic and blaming the Russians for not doing so

you obviously have no idea what safeties are on them .. and i dont know if they have been declassified yet



the rest was just a drunken ramble .. but true you probably couldn't deploy it from a wheelchair either .. as much as that also has any relevance

 

[chesirecat]

The US would be open to discuss giving its A-10 “Warthog” ground attack aircraft to Ukraine, the US Secretary of the
@usairforce
has indicated. Frank Kendall listed the ageing warplanes as among those the Air Force will be ditching to focus more $$ on modern programmes. 1/
Asked if the US could give the A-10s to Ukraine, the
@usairforce
Secretary Frank Kendall tells #AspenSecurity it is largely up to Kyiv and its needs: “We will be open to discussions with them on what their requirements are and how we might be able to satisfy them” 2/2

Source @haynesdeborah

 

[enigmatically2]

you obviously have no idea what safeties are on them .. and i dont know if they have been declassified yet



the rest was just a drunken ramble .. but true you probably couldn't deploy it from a wheelchair either .. as much as that also has any relevance

Re the first part, if only you knew.
Re the second, you said any aircraft could drop them, not just slow ASW types. I merely showed you that , once again, you were wrong

 

[Stingray~]

What's with Prez Z firing a bunch of high-level folks? When Putin does it, the news is taken as a sign he is feeling the heat. Is Prez Z having similar problems, or is that not allowed to be discussed?

One report I heard on radio is that people in Kherson who kept going to work at their govt jobs are now in trouble, because of who is now running those departments. What are they and their families supposed to do, starve?

The pro-UKR vs pro-RU fights among people just trying to survive things that are out of their control is pretty scary, almost like a terrible ethno-cleansing bloodbath coming.

 

[phill_nz]

they can be deployed from anything .. they are basically just a box

is what i wrote

Re the first part, if only you knew.

and i do

Re the second, you said any aircraft could drop them, not just slow ASW types. I merely showed you that , once again, you were wrong

aircraft were not even mentioned .. once again .. no ability to read or comprehend
just try to twist things to stupidity in order to avoid admitting ya just dont know as much as you think you do

all hugely compounded by seemingly restricted to pure linear thinking

 

[Ease the sheet.]

As has been said, some do. And so do Orion's that I mentioned

The USAF and RAAF don't.
I'm curious to why.

Is mad no longer as effective as new sensors?

Are you out of the loop?

 

[LeoV]

What's with Prez Z firing a bunch of high-level folks? When Putin does it, the news is taken as a sign he is feeling the heat. Is Prez Z having similar problems, or is that not allowed to be discussed?

Because you start a discussion with an analyse what is going on, instead of dumping some opinion.
Going into discussion with a shitting seagull has no merit.