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LeoV

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The speech is remarkable, it is the most agressive ever from Russia, worse then Stalin. He topped him.

Putin is setting military goals to grab more land, while they are on the back foot. Weird and a setup for failure.

Putin also has given the west greater reason to support Ukraine. This illegal land grab goes against the all principles of self-determination and democracy. And it sets a terrible precedent for behaviour by large states - this can not be allowed to stand.

If he succeeds next he will try to blow up NATO from the inside, he has one comrade already, Hungary, for now. And grab more land.
Only answer possible of the EU, cut out Russia, new cold war.

And it shows that there is no negotiated end to this war in the near future. Putin stated that the future of the 4 provinces will not be discussed. With mobilisation, Putin went all in.

If he loses more ground, he still can convince Russians that he won in a way, due to state propaganda and being a dictatorship. As all that carry thoughts to overthrown him are fighting themselves for survival. Windows are open for everyone to fall out. But many Russians will wonder what the fuck happened to their glorious army.

And in Ukraine he is running out of options, so far city destructions, rape, torture, murder, annexation and nuclear threats have not subdued the Ukrainians. He can nuke a city, and still the Ukrainian will fight on. Making Russia itself a big open target.
 
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enigmatically2

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So many military strategy experts basing deep insight on propaganda.

Funny to watch.
Though Barfy's russian channel portrays almost the same situation, albeit with different expectations. So the situation is based on facts that both sides are reporting, not propoganda

And if don't think losing 5000 troops (and all their equipment) in one town would blow a hole then you need to think about nunbers
 
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I thought the move was strategically brilliant.

And about the bias in the speech? What do you expect from a leader whose country has been under siege?

If ever there was a time a country needs to play the Nuc card, it is Russia now.

EDIT: but we need to be careful as @dogwatch will be along shortly to tell me this thread is about the AC.
 

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I thought the move was strategically brilliant.

And about the bias in the speech? What do you expect from a leader whose country has been under siege?

If ever there was a time a country needs to play the Nuc card, it is Russia now.

EDIT: but we need to be careful as @dogwatch will be along shortly to tell me this thread is about the AC.
The sad faces listening to P. weren't biased, they were observers knowing there was a storm coming. Hoping you will get to watch.
 

enigmatically2

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So we have earned 2 pro-Russian trolls, we have Campdog to add to slugzitski.
Twice the satisfaction when UKr kick your sorry asses out of ALL of Ukraine
 

enigmatically2

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Slugzitski gets merit points for having had some things of interest to say in the Barcelona thread.
True, whereas Campdog is a pure RU war troll (this Christmas toy craze, a real Russian war troll. Jumps around a lot initially, but tends to only move backwards and fall over after 3 days, though it continues to talk crap)
 

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From Rybar telegram;
Armed Forces of Ukraine concentrated the main efforts on three sections of the roads: Liman - Zarechnoye , Torskoye - Kremennaya , Torskoye - Svatovo . Properly distributing forces, the Ukrainian formations focused on cutting the lines of communication of the Russian troops.

At the same time, the pushing of the Russian defensive orders continued in Liman itself , Stavki , the northern environs of Yampol and along the "road of life" .

▪️By noon on October 1, the Armed Forces of Ukraine managed to physically cut the Torskoye-Svatovo road and pin down the forces of the RF Armed Forces in a battle in the Ternov region .

▪️The Ukrainian flag was raised at the western entrance ( 49.012093, 37.772098) to Liman : at least 20% of the city was controlled by the enemy by that time. This is evidenced by the absence of sounds of small arms combat and artillery strikes at the western entrance to the city.

The fighting shifted to the center and eastern part of Liman , the southern outskirts of Stavki , and the northern outskirts of Yampol . Communication between Torsky and the Liman garrison is blocked by fire.

▪️The RF Armed Forces strike at Zarechny (Kirovsk) , which includes Ukrainian formations. It is through Zarechnoye that the Liman-Torskoye road passes.

▪️The Torskoye-Kremennaya road is under constant fire control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Ukrainian maneuver groups are trying to tie up Russian units in battle.

🔻Despite the measures taken by the Russian command, it turned out, at best, to slow down the advance of the Ukrainian troops. At this stage , it is not possible to turn the tide of the battles for Liman
 
I thought the move was strategically brilliant.

And about the bias in the speech? What do you expect from a leader whose country has been under siege?

If ever there was a time a country needs to play the Nuc card, it is Russia now.

EDIT: but we need to be careful as @dogwatch will be along shortly to tell me this thread is about the AC.
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The speech is remarkable, it is the most agressive ever from Russia, worse then Stalin. He topped him.

Putin is setting military goals to grab more land, while they are on the back foot. Weird and a setup for failure.

Putin also has given the west greater reason to support Ukraine. This illegal land grab goes against the all principles of self-determination and democracy. And it sets a terrible precedent for behaviour by large states - this can not be allowed to stand.

If he succeeds next he will try to blow up NATO from the inside, he has one comrade already, Hungary, for now. And grab more land.
Only answer possible of the EU, cut out Russia, new cold war.
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Agreed with all, just want to add (with an apology for the political content) that Russia has another powerful ally in blowing up NATO from inside: the US Republican Party. Many of them are openly pro-Russian, the right-slanted media in the US is saying that Biden is a war criminal and we (the USA) is supporting the wrong side in this war.
 
The full text of Putin's speech in English. I recommend reading it all - while providing a couple of breaks to vomit. It is anti-Anglo-Saxon, anti-LGBTIQ, anti-‘elites’, anti-West, and anti-US. And anti-Ukraine of course.

Most of it is long winded propaganda, repetitive to the extreme......citing a hodgepodge of unrelated points in history and drawing absurd conclusions
There were numerous plans to invade Russia. Such attempts were made during the Time of Troubles in the 17th century and in the period of ordeals after the 1917 revolution.
Sigh....so in Putin's mind the invasion of Ukraine was is in response to the Polish-Russian war of 1598? By the way, this is a pet project of Putin. He reinstated "Unity Day" in 2005 to celebrate the surrender of the Polish garrison. The Soviet Russians had ceased celebrating this many decades ago , because this really wasn't about Poland trying to invade Russia, it was a civil war between various contenders for the succession to the throne of the Tsar and their various mercenary troops. There is something ironic and appropriate about Putin reinstating a holiday to celebrate the victory of the Romanovs over the Dmitrys and the execution of the 3 year old son of Dmitry.

the United States and Britain reduced Dresden, Hamburg, Cologne and many other German cities to rubble, without the least military necessity. It was done ostentatiously and, to repeat, without any military necessity. They had only one goal, as with the nuclear bombing of Japanese cities: to intimidate Russia and the rest of the world.
Sure , Vlad, that is believable. The US bombed Hiroshima to intimidate Russia?

For me, the important paragraph, and the acknowledgement that the goals of the special operation have changed since February was this"\:

"We call on the Kiev regime to immediately cease fire and all hostilities; to end the war it unleashed back in 2014 and return to the negotiating table. We are ready for this, as we have said more than once. But the choice of the people in Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhye and Kherson will not be discussed. The decision has been made, and Russia will not betray it. (Applause.) Kiev’s current authorities should respect this free expression of the people’s will; there is no other way. This is the only way to peace"

Vlad has abandoned the goal of invading all of the Ukraine, and will accept terms as long as he can keep D,L,Z and K. Ukraine is not so foolish as to accept that offer.
 
Agreed with all, just want to add (with an apology for the political content) that Russia has another powerful ally in blowing up NATO from inside: the US Republican Party. Many of them are openly pro-Russian, the right-slanted media in the US is saying that Biden is a war criminal and we (the USA) is supporting the wrong side in this war.
What absolute Bullshit.

The opponents to sending support to the Ukraine include Noam Chomsky, and left-wing media such as Jacobin, New Left Review, and Democracy Now!

Take your political BS to PA .
 

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What absolute Bullshit.

The opponents to sending support to the Ukraine include Noam Chomsky, and left-wing media such as Jacobin, New Left Review, and Democracy Now!

Take your political BS to PA .
Unfortunately it's not BS, nor did I say that opposing aid to Ukraine was exclusive to Republicans in the US.

Was AOC recently featured on Russian state media, or a FOX "News" guy? You can have the last word, I'm done with this, here.
 

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Russian defence ministry says it has withdrawn troops from Lyman to "better positions".

So they know Lyman is lost, now just trying to put a positive spin on it. Wonder how many will be captured, or how many killed on the road out

Ukraine claims a group of 5000 have been given a chance to surrender. That's a lot of front line troops
 

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Chechnya governor Ramzan Kadyrov accused Colonel General Aleksandr Lapin, who was put in charge of the western grouping of Russian troops in early September, of the failure of Russian troops near the city of Lyman, Donetsk Oblast in his Telegram post.
He complained that Lapin deployed "mobilized" fighters from the "LPR" and other units at all the borders of the Lyman axis, but did not provide them with the necessary communication, interaction and ammunition. Kadyrov also accused Lapin of moving his headquarters away from front.

Lapin is just mad commander, nice to see this infighting.
 




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