You implied it. You wrote that the Republican party was a "powerful ally" of Russia. That is absolutely untrue. Your desperation to make everything about politics is well known on these forums, and this time you have really stumbled.Unfortunately it's not BS, nor did I say that opposing aid to Ukraine was exclusive to Republicans in the US.
Don't forget your hat and coat.You can have the last word, I'm done with this, here.
Bullshit. The GOP's propaganda wing is all about Russia and supporting Russia and other rightwing dictators like Orban in Hungary. Remember your boy Trump's phone calls with Zelensky that got him impeached?You implied it. You wrote that the Republican party was a "powerful ally" of Russia. That is absolutely untrue. Your desperation to make everything about politics is well known on these forums, and this time you have really stumbled.
The Pew Foundation conducted a survey of GOP voters to assess their attitude to the President's response to the crisis in Ukraine.
- 21% of registered GOP voters agreed that Biden's response is just about right. It is unsurprising, he is after all a Democrat. But
-54% of registered GOP voters disapprove of Biden’s Ukraine policy because he has not done enough to push back against Russian aggression.
Only 9% of GOP voters think that we are giving too much support to Ukraine.
In a Reuters survey, three-quarters of Republicans support U.S. arms shipments to Ukraine, rigorous economic sanctions, a ban on the import of Russian oil, and the seizure of assets from Russian oligarchs.
In a Gallup survey, only 15% of Americans held the view that Putin may have some justification for invading Ukraine. Democrats and Republicans both responded in the same way. There is no distinguishable partisan difference on this issue.
The reality is that opposition to intervention in Ukraine comes from the extreme of both parties . Once again, the far Left and the far Right are nearly indistinguishable. Both want to create a partisan issue where there is none. Both make an agonizing screeching sound like a nail been drawn across a blackboard. @dogwatch is right to try and keep them away from this thread and in their cages in PA
"This isn’t rocket science: when a smaller, free country is viciously attacked by a much larger authoritarian power, most Americans—including most Republicans and most Democrats —tend to sympathize with the little guy. They look to help if they can, understanding that broader interests may be at stake. At the same time, most Americans—including most Democrats and Republicans—look to avoid full-blown hostilities with one of the world’s nuclear power states. That is not an unreasonable mix of concerns. In fact, it sounds about right . The whole task of any U.S. president, in such a crisis, is to strike a healthy balance between competing priorities."
Don't forget your hat and coat.
I have been watching this guys pro-russia channel for a while. He just became completely unhinged. After the first 4 minutes I think of calling an ambulance.
The reality is that you started bothsidesing things a bit ago, presumably because something happened to make you grievance-filled.The reality is that opposition to intervention in Ukraine comes from the extreme of both parties .
Actually Clean, in this case the poster had made a series of blatantly misleading statemenst when he wrote that "the Republican Party" is "a powerful ally" of Russia, and "openly supports Russia" and "is saying ...the USA is supporting the wrong side in this war." This , of course, is factually incorrect.whatabout whatabout whatabout?!
nor did I say that opposing aid to Ukraine was exclusive to Republicans in the US.
And, not to be forgotten...The other reality is that by far the most watched pundit on American TV and the standard-bearer for the largest news outlet in the country is unabashedly pro-putin, so much so that he is featured on billboards in Moscow and daily on RT and other state outlets
nor did I say that opposing aid to Ukraine was exclusive to Republicans in the US.
He could not find a way to concede that the majority of Republicans want the USA to do more in support of Ukraine, but that's okay I think the point was well made.
The reality is that you started bothsidesing things a bit ago, presumably because something happened to make you grievance-filled.
Ironically, I agree with some of what Noam says about the causes of the current Ukraine crisis. I think he is right that we are partially responsible for the series of events that got us here. We tried to apply 21st century politics ("let us all be capitalist democracies, get mutually wealthy and get along with each other") to a part of the world where 20th century realpolitik of "balance of power" is still the way that things work. We were out of touch.Feel free to point out how Noam Chomsky's points - and your other cited outlets with their THOUSANDS of readers - compares to the primetime Fox News/Breitbart juggernaut's pro-russian agenda, and remember that Tucker alone has something like 5M viewers a night.
Respect!I hope that you're right, that the majority of Republican voters feel that way. I don't need to "concede" anything when you make false claims about what I said.
You're confusing horseshoe theory with bothsidesism. The modern theocratic, anti-intellectual movement began with Newt and the Kochs. It was gamed out, planned, and executed by he and a select group of ethically bankrupt politicians and consultants using the gullibility of religious, low IQ individuals (and their greedy and morally corrupt priests and ministers) with funding from the Kochs, Russia, and christian fundamentalists like the Devos family.Indeed, I studied Politics and Philosophy as part of a college major, decades ago. I have been familiar with the "Horseshoe Theory" of politics for more than "a bit ago".
You would need to have your head in the sand over the last 15 years not to observe that politics have become significantly more divisive in the USA.
To quote Nawaz's observation of the current trends in ideology " if we travel far-left enough, we find the very same sneering, nasty and reckless bully-boy tactics used by the far-right. The two extremes of the political spectrum end up meeting like a horseshoe, at the top"
Of course the Horse Shoe theory goes back much further than that and was first written about by commentators in the early 1930s when they were concerned by the manner in which the extreme right of the Harzburg party/DNVP was drawing closer to the extreme left of the German Socialist party, in opposition to the Zentrum party in the center. Their concern was prescient.
I dont consider myself "grievance-filled" but has something happened to worry me about where we are going with this? Yes. I would say that January 6th 2021 causes me some concern? How about you? Are you happy with the decline in political discourse in our institutions?
Ironically, I agree with some of what Noam says about the causes of the current Ukraine crisis. I think he is right that we are partially responsible for the series of events that got us here. We tried to apply 21st century politics ("let us all be capitalist democracies, get mutually wealthy and get along with each other") to a part of the world where 20th century realpolitik of "balance of power" is still the way that things work. We were out of touch.
I disagree with him, because how we got here is now irrelevant. We are here. The only way forward now is to push Russia out of Ukraine.
Not really: It's very important to acknowledge how we got here: Russia invaded a sovereign nation in violation of the UN Charter and several of its own treaties.how we got here is now irrelevant.
I am disappointed. Clean usually has the vocabulary to respond articulately without descending to pseudo jargon compounds with a suffix.You're confusing horseshoe theory with bothsidesism.
The modern theocratic, anti-intellectual movement began
You provide a false comparison whenever comparing the mainstream GOP and its media mouthpieces with powerless fringe lefties.
This ain't a contract counselor. I use modern language to talk about modern issues.I am in fact comparing fringe righties with fringe lefties.
This is Horseshoe theory and is very different from presenting opposing arguments as if they have moral equivalency
( so much better than "bothsidesism", Really Clean you know you can do better!)