Ukraine

[enigmatically2]

Truth is the first casualty of war. A cliche of course.
There are of course lots of reports of weapon shortages in the west. No surprise. It is in the interests of journalists because scare stories are better click bait than saying all is fine. Ditto consultants. It is in the interests of defence companies to win new contracts. It is in the interest of Russian influencers like motorbike and slug to try and scare us.

And inevitably there is some truth. Some weapons will run short, especially as we are only using a small part of our inventory. We are not sending many of our newest weapons, or most air dropped weapons types, or ship launched types.

Nevertheless, we have to use our own eyes to decipher how much of an issue this all is. So when we look at the stories from the front, we can see:

Western missiles have been used by UKr to such good effect that Russia is already pulling 1950s artillery pieces, 1960s tanks and ww2 rifles from storage (many of them rusted to unusability)

Repeated complaints of RU troops that they are being shelled constantly with their own artillery nowhere to be seen.

Increasing numbers of Rus aircraft (military and civilian) crashing through lack of spare parts and maintenance.

Russian troops short of food, clothing and ammo. Sufficient that some Mobiks have mutinied

Russia buying ammo, drones and missiles from Iran and NK

New weapons (such as a loitering ammunition, long range small artillery missile and unmanned boats) appearing in the UkR inventory

So which side has the production and supply problems?

 

[Ease the sheet.]

Sorry I dont follow, Russia's concerns were a military buildup in UKR aided, funded and trained by pro western interests- ergo anti Russian. That was communicated to the west as a red line but since we live in a liberal democratic world run by clowns who actually believe they can do as they please with few consequences to them or those their orbit, they poked the bear.

The problem is that you cant do whatever you like in the real world, but our liberal elites in Washington or Brussels or London have told themselves they can create reality, if you dont call it a problem it isn't one therefore war with Russia isn't a problem and we are winning and tell the media to print that thanks. Proof of stupidity is the ill thought out own goal of sanctions on their primary energy supplier. I think part of the problem is that our leaders no real experience of life outside the mutual bubble they inhabit. They also don't appear to have the will or the statecraft needed to end the war.

Worried about a military build up in the Ukraine?


Well the movement of Russian forces into Ukraine sure fixed that.

 

[motorbike]

WTF are you on about? Nobody wants to invade Russia. They will do only what is necessary to get Ukraine's land back. That does not mean there won't be disruption of supply lines inside Russia. Russia is doing that to Ukraine now - they deserve some if their own medicine.

The Kerch bridge is toast. It is just a matter of time.

I was replying to a frothy comment by one of the hawks here, you would need to read their comment first

 

[motorbike]

Truth is the first casualty of war. A cliche of course.
There are of course lots of reports of weapon shortages in the west. No surprise. It is in the interests of journalists because scare stories are better click bait than saying all is fine. Ditto consultants. It is in the interests of defence companies to win new contracts. It is in the interest of Russian influencers like motorbike and slug to try and scare us.

And inevitably there is some truth. Some weapons will run short, especially as we are only using a small part of our inventory. We are not sending many of our newest weapons, or most air dropped weapons types, or ship launched types.

Nevertheless, we have to use our own eyes to decipher how much of an issue this all is. So when we look at the stories from the front, we can see:

Western missiles have been used by UKr to such good effect that Russia is already pulling 1950s artillery pieces, 1960s tanks and ww2 rifles from storage (many of them rusted to unusability)

Repeated complaints of RU troops that they are being shelled constantly with their own artillery nowhere to be seen.

Increasing numbers of Rus aircraft (military and civilian) crashing through lack of spare parts and maintenance.

Russian troops short of food, clothing and ammo. Sufficient that some Mobiks have mutinied

Russia buying ammo, drones and missiles from Iran and NK

New weapons (such as a loitering ammunition, long range small artillery missile and unmanned boats) appearing in the UkR inventory

So which side has the production and supply problems?

Well there is nothing to worry about, you should just continue enjoying the popular narrative in the comments section and enjoy being right about everything all the time.

 

[motorbike]

Slavs eh? Take you racist remark and go play somewhere else.

I am a slav bratko but even if I wasnt your reply is truly ludicrous, its not a race, its people who speak slavic languages.

 

[enigmatically2]

enjoy being right about everything all the time.

Thank you. It's easy when faced with 2 Russian trolls. So here goes another: Putin, your boys are taking a hell of a beating out there.

So motorbike, presumably you are another expat who ran away from Russia because everything is so rosy over there? At least you'll be spared the Russian economy collapsing (the thing that russian propagandists claim is happening in the west but us actually happening in Rus

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/11/26/russia-war-economy-military-supply/

 

[dogwatch]

The funny thing @enigmatically2 is that each time I think someone is entitled to express unpopular views on the war, they eventually reveal themselves as an arsehole. Your instincts are better than mine. The latest has gone onto iggy.

 

[enigmatically2]

Worse than an arsehole in this case. Less obvious than Slug, but still a shill

 

[Steam Flyer]

Sorry I dont follow, Russia's concerns were a military buildup in UKR aided, funded and trained by pro western interests- ergo anti Russian. ... ...

Wow, so much lying and paranoia packed into one sentence.

 

[enigmatically2]

There are increasing reports that RU is in the process of withdrawing from ZNPP area. Unconfirmed but similar to what we saw before Kherson withdrawal.

No doubt this is due to UKr running out of weapons

 

[LeoV]

Apparently a deal with international atom agency in the making, withdrawing of guns. Still guarded by Russia.

 

[enigmatically2]

Apparently a deal with international atom agency in the making, withdrawing of guns. Still guarded by Russia.

Yes, but that might make the rest of the area untenable for RU . Russians aren't happy about something there anyway

 

[EYESAILOR]

I come at this from a different viewpoint, I see this invasion as a moral failing on the part of Putin or some conspiracy theory about US involvement. Russia was scared and they attacked, this is what corrupt states do and UKR is going to win.

Hey El Loco, wipe your chin...you are starting to dribble.

 

[EYESAILOR]

Hmmm. I've spent 10 minutes looking at Kommersant and can't say I see anything on those lines?

I'm sorry to have wasted your time. On the bright side you could have spent 10 hours looking at Bloomberg Reports and you would not have found anything to support Slug's claim

According to Bloomberg, Western sanctions against Russia will end in a chaotic failure of the West.

I thought the bit about ration cards and evacuation maps might have been a give away. In a war of fantasy, it is hard to trump Slug in terms of absurd claims. I guess I didnt go far enough.

 

[EYESAILOR]

Does the US have a sovereign right to the islands of Hawaii, I don't care

Of course you don't care.

The Japanese explored that question on December 7 1941. Doubtless you are familiar with the answer.

The Russians are now exploring the question "Do Ukranians have a sovereign right to govern themselves in the nation state of Ukraine?" Not only are the Ukrainians answering the question themselves but it seems a large number of militarily adept nations agree with the answer that Ukraine is giving.

 

[enigmatically2]

Sovereign right?
Hard to beat a clear, fair, unequivocal referendum when EVERY region vote to part of an independent Ukraine state

1991 Ukrainian independence referendum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Monkey]

I was replying to a frothy comment by one of the hawks here, you would need to read their comment first

And it was an incredibly stupid reply. Any excuse about Russia defending themselves is pure bullshit, because NO ONE ATTACKED THEM. THEY INVADED ANOTHER COUNTRY!

 

[motorbike]

And it was an incredibly stupid reply. Any excuse about Russia defending themselves is pure bullshit, because NO ONE ATTACKED THEM. THEY INVADED ANOTHER COUNTRY!

Read history, it aint woke and btw no state needs to give you or me excuses to act.

"During the Iraq war, the Bush administration justified its pre-emptive military strike against Iraq on grounds of national security. The strike, carried out under the administration's National Security Strategy, asserts the right of the USA to take unilateral military action against rogue states and terrorist organizations so as to prevent or mitigate a presumed attack by such nations or organizations against the United States."

Who exactly is a rogue state or terrorist organization? That its purely determined by the perceived threat.

There are plenty of papers online that discuss the negative aspects of this doctrine but might is right out in the real world.

 

[Stingray~]

My sense is that Sevastopol is a big reason RU invaded, they want land bridge supply lines to there and want to restore water to Crimea - without which is a desert wasteland that can't feed itself. If UKR can strangle and eventually take that port, much of the reason for the invasion may turn to the even more pointless. Therefore, the sooner the better.

 

[motorbike]

Of course you don't care.

The Japanese explored that question on December 7 1941. Doubtless you are familiar with the answer.

The Russians are now exploring the question "Do Ukranians have a sovereign right to govern themselves in the nation state of Ukraine?" Not only are the Ukrainians answering the question themselves but it seems a large number of militarily adept nations agree with the answer that Ukraine is giving.

I will clarify; I dont care to argue on about the events of January 1893 or December 1941 or whether the US has a right to be there at all, that is another discussion. But the fact remains that Hawaii was not part of the US until it invaded the islands