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Kursk airfield,


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enigmatically2

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Where did you find that reported please?
There are a number of russian sources saying that (e.g. see below). But its not confirmed. Interesting timing just after Ukr said they had developed a 1000km drone. Was that a re-working of a TU-141? Or something new? Or was it not a TU-141 that hit the airfields.

It certainly wasn't a TU-141 out of the box, because that was a recon drone with no warhead. So still needed decent engineering (75kg is a lot of weight to add). The Ukrainians have proved themselves very good at adaptation and invention in this conflict. So any of those options is possible.

And Ru air defence commanders should stay on the ground floor for a while

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enigmatically2

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A reminder that for the next couple of months, the supply of weapons or which drones are used may not be the biggest issue. Decent clothing, good food etc may be

-10 degrees overnight in Kreminna (14 for those yanks still on 18th century units)

 

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previously argued that the airfields would not be worth targeting when we were talking about using missiles because the real time target info would not be available . But if they can really hit them with long range drones then they supply their own target info so that changes that equation.
jfyi . . . reporting is "strikes were made with the help of special forces close to the base who helped guide the drones to the target, said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity to convey sensitive information." (NYT)
 

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How far down the rabbit hole have the internet couch warriors gone?

From 1945 to 2022 the idea that US backed forces would launch missiles at a nuclear base deep inside Russia would simply be madness. Now its OK?

It's OK when Russia invades it' neighbor, starting a major war.

Are you suggesting that countries who attack and invade their neighbors should be held totally safe from attack, themselves? Even their armed forces?
 

enigmatically2

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It's OK when Russia invades it' neighbor, starting a major war.

Are you suggesting that countries who attack and invade their neighbors should be held totally safe from attack, themselves? Even their armed forces?
Well the west complains when poor defenceless civilians are targeted. And russian armed forces are poor, and their air bases seem to be defenceless. So ...
 

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Here's hoping that future drone missions will target ammo dumps, fuel depots and other highly explosive military assets. Even just 75kg warheads could be very effective.

Am torn about if they should also target RU's power grid.
 

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There are a number of russian sources saying that (e.g. see below). But its not confirmed. Interesting timing just after Ukr said they had developed a 1000km drone. Was that a re-working of a TU-141? Or something new? Or was it not a TU-141 that hit the airfields.

It certainly wasn't a TU-141 out of the box, because that was a recon drone with no warhead. So still needed decent engineering (75kg is a lot of weight to add). The Ukrainians have proved themselves very good at adaptation and invention in this conflict. So any of those options is possible.

And Ru air defence commanders should stay on the ground floor for a while

e.g.

Could you swap out the avionics and camera gear out of a Bayraktar into this ? makes sense if you have a bunch of rocket powered airframes hanging about
 

enigmatically2

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Could you swap out the avionics and camera gear out of a Bayraktar into this ? makes sense if you have a bunch of rocket powered airframes hanging about
Now suggestions it wasn't a TU-142, but something else. Same question arises I guess.

Camera gear could be swapped over, but it may have been GPS guided and luckily hit aircraft, or been locally guided at end, but in either case camera gear wouldn't be needed.
Avionics would not be a straight swap as the flight control parameters would be different. Possibly to modify them if you have access, which I doubt Ukrainians do to bayraktar stuff (and would mean sacrificing a bayraktar)
Ukraine have the technology to develop their own, or they might have just taken weight out of TU-141/143 or whatever it was to permit the warhead. Though even that is likely to require changes as the c of g or weight distribution will have changed. But as I say, Ukraine have those skills and are demonstrating them
 

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Saw a Pentagon briefing today where the guy was questioned about reactions to the attacks inside Russia. He basically said that if it happened it was not US weaponry, but that the US weapons supply has and will continue to evolve to help UKR's needs as required. Did not rule out anything. Asked again about if the US would help even an effort to drive RU out of Crimea, he maintained that this is up to UKR to decide...
 

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