Except for the RD 180, what have the Russians ever done for us?
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Except for the RD 180, what have the Russians ever done for us?
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2000-era update of a 1976 design. Wow!
Steam Flyer
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And don't forget the MX-Ray
Ex Machina
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Or Grigory Rodchenkov
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or Fazisi
Terry Hollis
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I am not a mind reader so I don't know what Stalin's goals were, given the outcome which does not require mind reading we can say that Russia failed because all of the land that they obtained in Europe during ww2 has been lost, that's a failure.
Steam Flyer
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Not in Stalin's lifetime. Not a "fail" to him, at all. No mind reading required.
When I buy a car, I don't give a shit if it finally stops running decades after I'm dead and gone.
Now, a failure of Russia's post-Stalin leadership? Or post-Kruschev, since he really worked at making some things go and others not... yes. But they were handed a deck of cards that had been deliberately set on fire in the first place, kinda hard to come back from that. If they wanted what you'd call "success" they would have had to try some radical changes and that would include not grinding the people under quite so badly.
Mark_K
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My understanding is Stalin created a system that worked, the problem was that it absolutely needed a Stalin to run it. Hedrick Smith described it as a problem of corruption, which that system practically begs to start happening. When Joe Steel was running things a manager who indulged was all but assured of a bullet in the head and knew nearly everybody he screwed could make that happen.
When the inevitable easing of that draconian system began (Kruschev on) it was structurally doomed to rampant corruption. Got so bad, come the late 70s, Russians were already starting to pine for the "good ol' days" under Joe when they didn't have to grease a palm to get just about anything beyond groceries.
Steam Flyer
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True, agreed; but Stalin's successors were just as brutal and exploitative of the post-WW2-occupied territories as Stalin was.
slug zitski
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Yes
for instance collective farming and national food security
it also suffered tragic consequences when first introduced
and corruption ran wild under Yeltsin, hence the rise of Putin
Sailbydate
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I asked myself the question, "Why are, Russians such fucking losers". Not having the answer, I turned to Google - as you do. Entertaining, if not illuminating.
Russian History Is on Our Side: Putin Will Surely Screw Himself
So the international sanctions aren’t working—don’t worry! If 1,000 years of Russian screw-ups are anything to go by, it won’t be long before Vladimir Putin brings himself down.
www.thedailybeast.com
phill_nz
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lol
even new zealand designs better more modern rocket engines than the marshmallow potatoes
Rain Man
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Yes, Putin's talent was organizing the corruption for the benefit of loyal oligarchs.
Priscilla
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Got some Ruskie tennis players rocking up here soon in Aotearoa for a tournament got to love the ATP and WTA attitude about not wanting to sanction them because of "concern" about forcing them to take responsibility for “the actions and decisions of their government.”
barfy
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Those venues would be a good place to park a big fo truck for a few days.
barfy
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A little more research leads me to believe recent precedent in UK could have something to do with it.
British tennis fined for banning Russian players
The ATP has fined Britain's Lawn Tennis Association $1.6 million for banning male players from Russia and Belarus from tournaments.
www.rnz.co.nz
phill_nz
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did you grab the family sized pottle of vasoline when you watched that one
if he is where you get your info
well .. it explains a lot
if he is where you get your info
well .. it explains a lot
LeoV
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Which started under Yeltsin, after the coup, he disbanded democracy and in came government brutality. Selling state assets to loyal underlings. Which became oligarchs after a lot of violence and murders. Putin was the hand picked successor. Continued and expanded this method. And the Russians looked away and never protested in meaningful numbers.
Meanwhile in Ukraine there was never an attack on the democratic rules, till the Russian puppet tried it, Yankovich. Street protests made that fail. That was Maidan about. Ukraine had oligarchs too, but as it was still a democratic rule, the election results were surprising and they could not pick one/ subdue to one strong man and competed underling with supporting different parties.
Could be that it was harder for Russians to protests, but this made the difference between two very similar states.
dogwatch
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Russian national teams should certainly not be competing abroad. I have mixed feelings about Russian nationals competing abroad but if there isn't a blanket ban on Russian visitors, I'm not sure individual Russians should be prevented from competing. In general we will not know their views on the war, it is unreasonable to demand public expression of their opinion since a negative statement could have implications for themselves and their families. Nor can Russia as a whole be considered a democracy in a meaningful sense. Free societies don't impose collective punishments.
