Ukraine

Kiwing

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There are some very thought provoking pieces of information and opinions on this thread. Opinions from countries all around the world. I now spend an hour at least reading and thinking about this invasion and it's effect on us all (even in little old NZ).
Has Putin shot himself in the foot? More of Europe joining NATO, borders with Russia being strengthened. And inside Russia (who knows?)
Is the west using it to weaken Russia further?
When the fighting stops what will the new Europe look like?
Will it make the NATO countries closer in a military sense?
 

Go Left

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Why does Canada even have tanks? Tanks would be not much use if Russia invades Canada over the north.
Because they are part of NATO/OTAN and it's mutual defense agreements. More likely to be used in Estonia than Toronto, but purchased to support the design/manufacture/maintenance of the equipment.

My guess is that they are sitting in Poland.
 

Ishmael

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Because they are part of NATO/OTAN and it's mutual defense agreements. More likely to be used in Estonia than Toronto, but purchased to support the design/manufacture/maintenance of the equipment.

My guess is that they are sitting in Poland.
My guess is that Stephen Harper sold them for a bag of cash.
 

Stingray~

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This war, after the even bigger COVID breakout's effects, is so f'cking depressing!

I wish 'they' (someone) would bomb and just obliterate the Kremlin. Let RU start all over on a better track....
 

Priscilla

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This war, after the even bigger COVID breakout's effects, is so f'cking depressing!

I wish 'they' (someone) would bomb and just obliterate the Kremlin. Let RU start all over on a better track....
Should have done it from the get go.
Poo Tin and his lackeys only plan is to spread as much death doom and destruction as they are capable of.
Is the West just going to tinker around the edges until the Ruskies hit the buttons first.
 

chesirecat

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I remember when Chobham armour was first developed at er, Chobham. Too late for the Chieftain but good to see it moving upmarket to Dorchester.
Anyway a couple of vids, Chobham armour and HESH ammo.



 

dogwatch

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Ukraine's population is about 45 million. If you look at the population pyramid below there are just not tens of millions of people in likely demographic groups, say 20 to 40 to make it happen. The Canadian government have increased immigration to record levels with no suggestion this will change.
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Interesting lack of millennials. OK, likely millions of economic migrants if UKR joined the EU and gained FoM. Tbh I don't see what Canada may be doing as very relevant. What's clear to anyone giving attention to attitudes in western Europe, UK included, is that a substantial demographic is increasingly hostile to immigrants. All immigrants, not only ones with a brown skin. Especially on the right, amongst boomers, amongst low to middling earners. To some extent the latter have a point; it is nice enough for people like me to have people from eastern Europe prepared to do the low-wage jobs in the service sector and elsewhere that make life comfortable but I'm not competing for those jobs, I'm trying to find a plumber. Couple that to the tendency of boomers to stop staring at their phone long enough to get off their arses and vote, this is an important segment of the electorate.

After countries such as Romania gained FoM, just shy of 450K Romanians out of a population of 20M moved to the UK. Government expectations had been a fraction of that. It was fine for me, I filled a job with a motivated skilled worker, for a job that nobody qualified in the UK wanted to do at the salary my employer chose to offer. But there's no doubt that such immigration, perceived as uncontrolled, generated widespread hostility.

So if millions of Ukrainians head west, not as pitiable refugees, mostly women and children but instead as mostly young men prepared to work for less than locals, I predict resentment and trouble.
 
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motorbike

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This war, after the even bigger COVID breakout's effects, is so f'cking depressing!

I wish 'they' (someone) would bomb and just obliterate the Kremlin. Let RU start all over on a better track....
I think quite a few US citizens share the same feelings towards Washington and the swamp
 

LeoV

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After countries such as Romania gained FoM, just shy of 450K Romanians out of a population of 20M moved to the UK.
UK policy is not the same as EU;
In May 2004, the EU welcomed ten new member states – the majority from Central and Eastern Europe – in what was the largest expansion in the history of European integration. The UK was one of only three member states, alongside Sweden and Ireland, to open its labour market to these new EU citizens immediately.

While the number of migrants from Central and Eastern Europe into the UK was predicted to be in the region of 5,000 to 13,000 on the assumption that other member states would also open their labour markets, most didn’t. And the flows turned out to be over 20 times the upper end of this estimate.

You can expect the same FOM restrictions to be in place for Ukraine. Maybe even stricter or longer period of no FOM for labour reasons till Ukraine is healthy again.

A research here showed that mostly woman with children who lost their husband in the war are most likely to stay. Hard to send them back.

But first, win the war.
 


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