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Former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO Adm. James Stavridis says those tanks will help, but combat aircrafts are the “next big need on the battlefield” for the Ukrainians.
 

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When Zorba speaks, you had best listen.
For sure.

Am a little surprised that aircraft discussion possibilities so far have been limited to Migs and to F-16s. The US must still have hundreds of tank-killing A10 Warthogs, still.
 
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Am a little surprised that aircraft discussion possibilities so far have been limited Migs and F-16s. The US must still have hundreds of tank-killing A10 Warthogs, still.
We don't have that many operational Warthogs any more, maybe a few hundred. They are actually pretty vulnerable to high-tech anti-aircraft measures, even though they are tough as hell.
 

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We don't have that many operational Warthogs any more, maybe a few hundred. They are actually pretty vulnerable to high-tech anti-aircraft measures, even though they are tough as hell.
Yes, I did just now see this in Wiki.

During an interview in December 2022, Ukrainian Defence Minister Aleksii Reznikov said that in late March he asked the US Secretary of Defence Lloyd Austin for 100 surplus A-10s. Saying "We had done our homework. They can deliver heavier bombs, and we could use them against [Russian] tank columns". Secretary Austin told Minister Reznikov that they would be "squeaky target" and such an idea was "impossible".[150]

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On the tank discussion, the Leopard has not had a huge amount of combat experience . . . but:

"In late 2016, Turkey deployed its 2nd Armored Brigade to its border with Syria. The brigade, armed with Leopard 2 A4 tanks, was engaged by Islamic State forces and lost ten Leopard 2s. According to The National Interest, Turkey lost “five reportedly by antitank missiles, two by mines or improvised explosive devices (IEDs), one to rocket or mortar fire, and the others to more ambiguous causes.”

These were relatively heavy losses to irregular forces. These tanks were (apparently) deployed to the rear of assaulting infantry as mobile gun support, but ISIS still managed to target them. Later versions of the Leopard were up-armored (edit: it appears Germany will provide the up-armored A6, while most other countries will supply the A4 variant).
IIRC the general sentiment back then was that parking your tanks in an overwatch position on the top of an hill is a bad idea. Doing that within range of enemy anti tank weapons and giving the enemy time to set up a shot to hit weak points does not help either.
Beyond that war is war and losses are expected. That is what reserves are for. (And recovery vehicles close enough to the fight so that you don't have to abandon all damaged gear.)

We will see how well they fare in Ukrainian service. The crew training for Marder IVF has already started.

The US really seems to be caught flat footed by the decision to deliver Abrams. New delays every day.
 

The bit where he says that German tanks are being sent to kill Russian soldiers on Russian soil, tells you all that you need to know about his attitude to Ukrainian sovereignty.

However perhaps this is a suitable place and time to consider more objectively the accusations about Nazism that are being thrown around.

The literal meaning of Nazi was a member of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, shortened to Nazi as a derogatory acronym by opponents of the NSDP. Hitler was the leader of the NSDP. The successor to the NSDP in Germany is the NDP. The NDP has about 4,000 members and no seats in parliament so it is irrelevant to the discussion.

Russia has one dominant party, United Russia, run by Putin and a number of "soft opposition" parties which claim to support Putin and oppose the government (an intriguing concept which might make sense in the Cyrillic alphabet but nowhere else)

Ukraine has dozens of parties which come and go in terms popularity at the elections. Most of them are defined by geography more than social ideology, and the biggest distinguishing factor previously was whether they were pro economic ties with Russia or pro- economic ties with Europe. The former parties were steadily declining in popularity and the other rising as the younger demographic looked upon themselves increasingly as European. Funding for many of these parties came from Russian oligarchs with substantial business interests in Ukraine and Ukrainian business people with commercial ties to Europe. Ukrainian voters are not naive and understood that there was a good amount of corruption and undue influence in their political process.
Then, almost out of the blue, came the "Servant of the People" party. It was originally registered as a name to prevent someone misappropriating the name of the popular TV series, by the TV company founded by Zelensky. By December 2018 Zelensky was persuaded by his colleagues at K95 (the TV company) and some centrist politicians that Servant of the People had something to say. He announced the formal launch of the party and ran as president. He won the 2019 presidential elections in a landslide and subsequently the party won the largest number of seats in parliament of any party at any time in Ukraine's history.
Foreign commentators made snide remarks and jokes about Ukraine electing a comedian as president . They had not done their research. Zelensky was much more than a comedian....although he was very funny.
  • Zalensky was a savvy and adroit media entrepreneur. By 2018 K95 was the leading content provider in Central and Eastern Europe with hundreds of employees, hit series like the "In-Laws" making the top 3 in the 5 continent viewership category alongside Desperate Housewives and the Big Bang Theory. They also made blockbuster movies for CEE, dominated in animation and of course produced Servant of the People in Ukraine. Anyone who had bothered looking would have realized that he had management skills and was a self made young wealthy entrepreneur.
  • He impressed some serious politicians and thought leaders who left existing parties to join Servant of the People before they had won their first vote
  • He was and is a superb communicator and motivator....a blend of Clinton and Reagan rolled into one package.
  • He had the right platform for the right time:
    • The platform was anchored by an anti-corruption mandate
    • Centrist and pragmatic
    • He was pro-Europe (attracting that vote)
    • But he was from a Russian speaking region in Ukraine and Russian is his first language, engendering trust from those who worried about leaning to Europe. He has been clear - He dislikes Putin's regime but he does not dislike Russians.
    • He was young facing an electorate which had been repeatedly let down by the old guard.
    • He is genuinely idealistic, .........and he had a young family that voters related to.
I could mildly criticize some of the funding they received after the elections but it is impossible to keep a straight face and say that the Servant of the People party bears any resemblance to the NSDP of 1921-1945.

That is it as far as identifying if a Nazi party exists in this conflict.

In my next post I would like to share some thoughts about some of the key ingredients of Nazi ideology (as opposed to political party) and where we see them in the Ukraine-Russian conflict.
 
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So the Germans are trolling the US by sending (I shit you not)

14 Tanks initially and
88 Tanks in total

14 and 88 Bwhahahahaa! Skinheads and Banderites around the world will be in a Sieg Heil jism fit!!


 

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Almost an hour long but this production is good quality history, from what I've seen of it.



Drawing on in-depth conversations with insiders from five U.S. presidential administrations, former U.S. intelligence leaders, diplomats, Russian politicians, authors and journalists, “Putin and the Presidents” reveals how the miscalculations and missteps of multiple American presidents over two decades paved the way for Putin’s attack on Ukraine — as seen through the eyes of people who were in the room. The documentary traces how, prior to launching the war on Ukraine, Putin tested the waters by defying American presidents for 20 years — including by invading Georgia, seizing Crimea, and interfering in a U.S. presidential election.

The documentary provides unique insight into the icy relationship between Putin and current U.S. President Joe Biden, both of whom were shaped by the Cold War, and into the evolution of Putin’s grievances with the U.S. and the West. As Russia’s war on Ukraine continues, “Putin and the Presidents” gives essential context for this historic moment.
 
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Then you get more than me, I don't get anything at all, no Stinkray, Shitray, Spinray, Spewray or even Stingray.

BTW, It plays fine when I sign in ananamously on Android Chrome.
And in your case it will play on YouTube, I believe.
 

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@Stingray~ how many Americans would believe that bit about Poo tin helping Trump get elected and them playing him like a fiddle? And will another nation influence the USA elections again?
But I certainly did not know the Biden link to Poo tin
 

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The bit where he says that German tanks are being sent to kill Russian soldiers on Russian soil, tells you all that you need to know about his attitude to Ukrainian sovereignty.

However perhaps this is a suitable place and time to consider more objectively the accusations about Nazism that are being thrown around.

The literal meaning of Nazi was a member of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, shortened to Nazi as a derogatory acronym by opponents of the NSDP. Hitler was the leader of the NSDP. The successor to the NSDP in Germany is the NDP. The NDP has about 4,000 members and no seats in parliament so it is irrelevant to the discussion.

Russia has one dominant party, United Russia, run by Putin and a number of "soft opposition" parties which claim to support Putin and oppose the government (an intriguing concept which might make sense in the Cyrillic alphabet but nowhere else)

Ukraine has dozens of parties which come and go in terms popularity at the elections. Most of them are defined by geography more than social ideology, and the biggest distinguishing factor previously was whether they were pro economic ties with Russia or pro- economic ties with Europe. The former parties were steadily declining in popularity and the other rising as the younger demographic looked upon themselves increasingly as European. Funding for many of these parties came from Russian oligarchs with substantial business interests in Ukraine and Ukrainian business people with commercial ties to Europe. Ukrainian voters are not naive and understood that there was a good amount of corruption and undue influence in their political process.
Then, almost out of the blue, came the "Servant of the People" party. It was originally registered as a name to prevent someone misappropriating the name of the popular TV series, by the TV company founded by Zelensky. By December 2018 Zelensky was persuaded by his colleagues at K95 (the TV company) and some centrist politicians that Servant of the People had something to say. He announced the formal launch of the party and ran as president. He won the 2019 presidential elections in a landslide and subsequently the party won the largest number of seats in parliament of any party at any time in Ukraine's history.
Foreign commentators made snide remarks and jokes about Ukraine electing a comedian as president . They had not done their research. Zelensky was much more than a comedian....although he was very funny.
  • Zalensky was a savvy and adroit media entrepreneur. By 2018 K95 was the leading content provider in Central and Eastern Europe with hundreds of employees, hit series like the "In-Laws" making the top 3 in the 5 continent viewership category alongside Desperate Housewives and the Big Bang Theory. They also made blockbuster movies for CEE, dominated in animation and of course produced Servant of the People in Ukraine. Anyone who had bothered looking would have realized that he had management skills and was a self made young wealthy entrepreneur.
  • He impressed some serious politicians and thought leaders who left existing parties to join Servant of the People before they had won their first vote
  • He was and is a superb communicator and motivator....a blend of Clinton and Reagan rolled into one package.
  • He had the right platform for the right time:
    • The platform was anchored by an anti-corruption mandate
    • Centrist and pragmatic
    • He was pro-Europe (attracting that vote)
    • But he was from a Russian speaking region in Ukraine and Russian is his first language, engendering trust from those who worried about leaning to Europe. He has been clear - He dislikes Putin's regime but he does not dislike Russians.
    • He was young facing an electorate which had been repeatedly let down by the old guard.
    • He is genuinely idealistic, .........and he had a young family that voters related to.
I could mildly criticize some of the funding they received after the elections but it is impossible to keep a straight face and say that the Servant of the People party bears any resemblance to the NSDP of 1921-1945.

That is it as far as identifying if a Nazi party exists in this conflict.

In my next post I would like to share some thoughts about some of the key ingredients of Nazi ideology (as opposed to political party) and where we see them in the Ukraine-Russian conflict.
I read he asks his generals what he can do but otherwise leaves them to it. Either way, he's got guts going to the front lines and being out in the open. Just hope he can win the peace.
 

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@Stingray~ how many Americans would believe that bit about Poo tin helping Trump get elected and them playing him like a fiddle? And will another nation influence the USA elections again?
But I certainly did not know the Biden link to Poo tin
The opinions about the degree to how much RU intel services spammed the election that led to Trump's election vary among Americans but the facts do bear out that there was a large, maybe even lasting, degree of it. The CIA even has videos of one of the centers doing that work. It has been shown to be true in other elections too, including in Europe.

Finished watching that production just now and while it portrays Putin in a suspicious 'black and white' imagery in much of it, there is plenty of real footage of him and US Presidents, often interacting, that is undeniably accurate.

Bush W was naive, Obama was reluctant to confront Putin because he had higher priorities, Trump got played for the complete idiot he is, the only now-US Pres who steadily understood the same Cold War mentality Putin was so deep into, is Biden. While Biden is not perfect, he may be the right US President to be finally confronting Putin and I do think Putin needs to very be worried it. Like with Saddam, rightly or wrongly in that case, the battle lines are now drawn and Putin has been given no escape options so far either. The walls will close in on Putin, grinding slowly but steadily.

Putin made a truly massive miscalculation. He misjudged the response this time.
 
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