Again, highly recommend this production having now watched it to the end.
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Again, highly recommend this production having now watched it to the end.
Sailbydate
Super Anarchist
Ha, ha. I wouldn't put my buddy, Stinger on ignore. ;-) Just his posted link was showing bad - with, 'This video is unavailable'.
chesirecat
Super Anarchist
Apparently, Israel's attacked an Iranian drone factory.
No coincidence but UKR GRU established a cooperation relationship with Israel intel a while back.
No coincidence but UKR GRU established a cooperation relationship with Israel intel a while back.
Maybe this link will work for you, SBD? It may be geo-blocked, have no idea.
Keith
Super Anarchist
Dang, not sure what to say. Maybe if you Google for that title it is uploaded to somewhere else?
It's a great documentary, hope some folks are able to find it, and find it informative. But it's not the end of the world otherwise
The bottom line is that despite past history, Putin has now run into a big-big-big problem with this latest invasion and the now-US President Biden. As should be obvious from what Biden says any time he has addressed it in recent speeches, including from yesterday with Austin standing right behind.
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Mambo Kings
Super Anarchist
Here are what I see as the prominent elements of the Nazi ideology:
1. Antisemitism.
Hitler and the Nazi movement believed in a global Jewish conspiracy with a passionate hatred. They were profoundly antisemitic and argued that the only solution was to wipe them from the face of the earth.
Ukraine : FFS, the president of Ukraine is Jewish!
The holocaust in Ukraine was awful. 1 million Jews were murdered. Most were killed by the German Einsatzgruppen units but there were also Ukrainian collaborators. Ukrainian police units and militia established by the Nazi occupiers helped round up Jews. Many of those collaborators were tried after the war. There is an overlap which Russia likes to highlight. Many collaborators with Nazi Germany belonged to the UPM (Ukrainian People's Militia) and the OUN (Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists). The UPM, which was a truly fascist organization created by Himmler was stamped out after the war. The OUN broke into fragments and one of these fragments morphed into freedom fighters that fought against soviet occupation. The most effective misinformation is created by combining a small truth with a big lie. Russia takes a truth than an organization called the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists collaborated with the Nazis during WW 2 and participated in unspeakable atrocities and attaches it to the big lie, that the elected leaders of Ukraine seeking to preserve a free and independent nation are direct descendant of the OUN. Do not deny that Ukraine has some skeletons in the closet but at the same time, remember that they have elected a Jewish president which would never happen in Russia.
Russia. Antisemitism appears from time to time on Russian media. You dont have to watch a Russian news TV show for long without hearing a phrase like "Dirty Jew", said in jest but incredible bad taste. The word "pogrom" is a Russian word describing the cleansing of Jewish communities that took place in Tsarist Russia. The campaigns against "cosmopolitanism" in the USSR in the 1950s were essentially campaigns against Jews, culminating in the closure of all remaining synagogues in 1957. The 1970s saw massive emigration of Jews from the USSR on grounds of discrimination. In a remarkable poor grasp of history, Russia denigrated Israel as a Nazi state after the 6 day war in 1976 and tried to curtail emigration to Israel. Russia has alwasy been hostile to Israel. However antisemitism is becoming irrelevant in Russia. Russia was once home to the largest Jewish population in the world with millions of Jews, now has a Jewsih population of under 90,000 spread across a huge nation and Juduaism is now recognized as one of 4 recognized religions in Russia.
Neither side can accuse each other of profound antisemitism that is better or worse than other parts of the world.
2. Belief in a Master Race
The Nazis believed in a volkisch nationalism. There is a distinction between the Ukrainian emphasis on "Glory to Ukraine" and the Russian emphasis on the "Glorious Russian people" There is a much more fascist feel to Russian patriotism. Ukrainians talk about a nation. The Putin regime talk as if they are reuniting the Slavic people.
The Putin's regime choice of words when they refer to the "decadent West" sound lifted wholesale from Hitler's speeches about the Untermensch - the degenerate masses from the East
3. Subsuming Individualism in favor of Totalitarianism
Under Nazism, individualism was denounced and importance was placed upon belonging to the volk. Individuals did not choose leaders, leaders were bestowed upon them. This is exactly how Putin thinks about the world. Zelensky's entire career has been poking fun at totalitarianism.
4. Lebensraum
Nazi Germany and Putin's Russia both base their expansionist claims on irredentist policies to restore territory that had been lost from former empires, reuniting native language speakers with their nation, and securing and and resources that the mother/fatherland needed.
Take any speech delivered by Hitler in 1938, substitute the words Russia and Russian for Germany and German, substitute Ukraine for Alsace Lorraine, Czechslovakia and Danzig....hand it to Putin and he would read it on TV without blinking an eyelid.
In short, Putin accusing Zelensky of being a Nazi regime does not stand up to even a cursory examination.
1. Antisemitism.
Hitler and the Nazi movement believed in a global Jewish conspiracy with a passionate hatred. They were profoundly antisemitic and argued that the only solution was to wipe them from the face of the earth.
Ukraine : FFS, the president of Ukraine is Jewish!
The holocaust in Ukraine was awful. 1 million Jews were murdered. Most were killed by the German Einsatzgruppen units but there were also Ukrainian collaborators. Ukrainian police units and militia established by the Nazi occupiers helped round up Jews. Many of those collaborators were tried after the war. There is an overlap which Russia likes to highlight. Many collaborators with Nazi Germany belonged to the UPM (Ukrainian People's Militia) and the OUN (Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists). The UPM, which was a truly fascist organization created by Himmler was stamped out after the war. The OUN broke into fragments and one of these fragments morphed into freedom fighters that fought against soviet occupation. The most effective misinformation is created by combining a small truth with a big lie. Russia takes a truth than an organization called the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists collaborated with the Nazis during WW 2 and participated in unspeakable atrocities and attaches it to the big lie, that the elected leaders of Ukraine seeking to preserve a free and independent nation are direct descendant of the OUN. Do not deny that Ukraine has some skeletons in the closet but at the same time, remember that they have elected a Jewish president which would never happen in Russia.
Russia. Antisemitism appears from time to time on Russian media. You dont have to watch a Russian news TV show for long without hearing a phrase like "Dirty Jew", said in jest but incredible bad taste. The word "pogrom" is a Russian word describing the cleansing of Jewish communities that took place in Tsarist Russia. The campaigns against "cosmopolitanism" in the USSR in the 1950s were essentially campaigns against Jews, culminating in the closure of all remaining synagogues in 1957. The 1970s saw massive emigration of Jews from the USSR on grounds of discrimination. In a remarkable poor grasp of history, Russia denigrated Israel as a Nazi state after the 6 day war in 1976 and tried to curtail emigration to Israel. Russia has alwasy been hostile to Israel. However antisemitism is becoming irrelevant in Russia. Russia was once home to the largest Jewish population in the world with millions of Jews, now has a Jewsih population of under 90,000 spread across a huge nation and Juduaism is now recognized as one of 4 recognized religions in Russia.
Neither side can accuse each other of profound antisemitism that is better or worse than other parts of the world.
2. Belief in a Master Race
The Nazis believed in a volkisch nationalism. There is a distinction between the Ukrainian emphasis on "Glory to Ukraine" and the Russian emphasis on the "Glorious Russian people" There is a much more fascist feel to Russian patriotism. Ukrainians talk about a nation. The Putin regime talk as if they are reuniting the Slavic people.
The Putin's regime choice of words when they refer to the "decadent West" sound lifted wholesale from Hitler's speeches about the Untermensch - the degenerate masses from the East
3. Subsuming Individualism in favor of Totalitarianism
Under Nazism, individualism was denounced and importance was placed upon belonging to the volk. Individuals did not choose leaders, leaders were bestowed upon them. This is exactly how Putin thinks about the world. Zelensky's entire career has been poking fun at totalitarianism.
4. Lebensraum
Nazi Germany and Putin's Russia both base their expansionist claims on irredentist policies to restore territory that had been lost from former empires, reuniting native language speakers with their nation, and securing and and resources that the mother/fatherland needed.
Take any speech delivered by Hitler in 1938, substitute the words Russia and Russian for Germany and German, substitute Ukraine for Alsace Lorraine, Czechslovakia and Danzig....hand it to Putin and he would read it on TV without blinking an eyelid.
In short, Putin accusing Zelensky of being a Nazi regime does not stand up to even a cursory examination.
Never did understand Jew hatred and don't actually want to understand it. All American Jews I know love life and celebrate it with good fun and humor.
I do have concerns about Israeli occupations of Palestinian territories in Gaza and the West Bank and wish that could get sorted because of all the hell that causes there, but do not follow that subject too closely either.
I also wish Trump had not pulled out of the Iran Nuke agreement and suspect son-in-law Kushner (yes, a Jew) helped forced that move; but then Trump was and is basically angrily anti-everyone so wtf knows.
The 'Nazi' rhetoric from Putin is just propaganda, imo.
I do have concerns about Israeli occupations of Palestinian territories in Gaza and the West Bank and wish that could get sorted because of all the hell that causes there, but do not follow that subject too closely either.
I also wish Trump had not pulled out of the Iran Nuke agreement and suspect son-in-law Kushner (yes, a Jew) helped forced that move; but then Trump was and is basically angrily anti-everyone so wtf knows.
The 'Nazi' rhetoric from Putin is just propaganda, imo.
Kiwing
Super Anarchist
SbD were you able to watch that chilling Doco on Pootin and the Presidents?
The last part on Trump and Biden stands out to me as chilling !
The last part on Trump and Biden stands out to me as chilling !
Fiji Bitter
I love Fiji Bitter
When I go to a VPN in the USA it is indeed geoblocked.
But if I then go to YouTube and search for it, it plays fine. Try it.
There was a YouTube series a couple of years ago by a Swedish (?) journalist that traced the Jewish Mafia in Russia and how Putin uses that network. I'll see if I can find it.
chesirecat
Super Anarchist
Spectator
Dr Jack Watling is Senior Research Fellow for Land Warfare at the Royal United Services Institute
The decision by Kyiv’s international partners to send Nato-designed main battle tanks to Ukraine is a pivotal moment in the Russo-Ukrainian War. The tanks may be the focus of attention, but they were part of a much larger range of commitments – Ukraine’s partners have now committed to enabling Kyiv to reclaim its territory as quickly as possible. In spite of that, it will take months of hard fighting before Ukraine can make significant gains.
It is this trajectory – combined with a need to convince Russia that protracted fighting is not in its interest – that led to several of Ukraine’s partners pledging large numbers of infantry fighting vehicles, tanks, artillery systems, combat support platforms, and expanding munitions production to meet Ukraine’s needs. There has also been a deliberate training pipeline built, with Ukrainians trained in the UK and then formed as units and exercised in Europe to learn how to field combined arms battalions.
The short term challenge Ukraine faced was that if it committed to offensive operations early in the year it might exhaust its reserves and lose a critical number of armoured vehicles, leaving it vulnerable to Russia later in the year. Its partners’ pledges now mean that Ukraine can confidently generate and field new combat unts through the year and Kyiv therefore has more freedom to use what it already has now.
In spite of the medium-term opportunity the pledged equipment offers, Nato-designed tanks will not be quick to bring into action. Nato-designed tanks are significantly different to the Soviet derived tanks currently operated by Ukraine. They have different crew workflow, maintenance requirements and are around 20-tonnes heavier. Tanks will also make little difference if fielded in small numbers. To field them at company strength, supported by infantry fighting vehicles and artillery, it is necessary to have a significant number of Ukrainians trained in how to fight the relevant systems, maintain and sustain them, and operate them in groups. This will all take time.
Thanks to the obstructionism and incompetence of the German government, Ukraine has ended up with the worst of the positive outcomes available. Rather than receiving a large number of a single type of tank they are receiving three different Nato-designed tanks, all in limited numbers and each with separate, complex maintenance requirements. This will delay getting these tanks to the front lines. And this is after Ukraine’s partners squandered three months deciding whether or not to send tanks at all. It is unlikely to be forgotten in Kyiv that Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s pointless prevarication has and will continue to cost Ukrainian lives.
The widespread obsession with comparing the technical specifications of Nato versus Russian tanks is broadly inconsequential. Nato tanks are better protected, have better optics and a better process for finding and engaging targets. Tank for tank the Nato armour is superior. But this is a full scale ground war in which the numbers of vehicles fielded and how well they are fought matters far more than the qualities of individual pieces of equipment. As the year goes on therefore it is likely the training pipeline being built that will give Ukrainian troops the decisive edge to take and hold ground.
Given the time it will take for newly pledged equipment to have an effect, it must be understood that the next few months of fighting are going to be hard. The Russians are massing airborne troops in Luhansk and armoured units to the South, while Wagner continues to assault Bakhmut. General Gerasimov, now directly running operations in Ukraine, is pushing for offensive operations to try and draw Ukraine’s reserves into defensive fighting and therefore remove their ability to prepare for offensive operations. The Russians are hoping that if they bleed out Ukraine’s better units now they will hold onto the territory they have seized. For the next couple of months at least Ukraine must avoid these threats with the equipment it already fields.
A wider issue for Ukraine’s partners is that after donating large volumes of front-line in-service equipment, they will need to rearm themselves. The British announcement to send up to 30 AS90 self propelled howitzers, for example, is going to significantly limit training time for the Royal Artillery unless a replacement gun is procured. The political decision to give Ukraine what it needs to win is important, but it must be followed up with a willingness to fund the consequences of the policy.
But for now, the hope in the West is that Ukraine will be able to use this donated equipment to make significant gains this year.
WRITTEN BY
Jack WatlingDr Jack Watling is Senior Research Fellow for Land Warfare at the Royal United Services Institute
The decision by Kyiv’s international partners to send Nato-designed main battle tanks to Ukraine is a pivotal moment in the Russo-Ukrainian War. The tanks may be the focus of attention, but they were part of a much larger range of commitments – Ukraine’s partners have now committed to enabling Kyiv to reclaim its territory as quickly as possible. In spite of that, it will take months of hard fighting before Ukraine can make significant gains.
Russia is currently at the nadir of its capabilities, fielding poorly trained troops with older and more varied equipment, and with shortages of munitions. At the same time Russia has enough forces on the ground to mean that Ukraine can only make progress with a deliberate offensive. Russia can also mobilise and train more personnel. Russia’s defence industry is also increasing production, so that if Ukraine does not retain the initiative, it will become progressively harder to liberate territory.
It is this trajectory – combined with a need to convince Russia that protracted fighting is not in its interest – that led to several of Ukraine’s partners pledging large numbers of infantry fighting vehicles, tanks, artillery systems, combat support platforms, and expanding munitions production to meet Ukraine’s needs. There has also been a deliberate training pipeline built, with Ukrainians trained in the UK and then formed as units and exercised in Europe to learn how to field combined arms battalions.
The short term challenge Ukraine faced was that if it committed to offensive operations early in the year it might exhaust its reserves and lose a critical number of armoured vehicles, leaving it vulnerable to Russia later in the year. Its partners’ pledges now mean that Ukraine can confidently generate and field new combat unts through the year and Kyiv therefore has more freedom to use what it already has now.
In spite of the medium-term opportunity the pledged equipment offers, Nato-designed tanks will not be quick to bring into action. Nato-designed tanks are significantly different to the Soviet derived tanks currently operated by Ukraine. They have different crew workflow, maintenance requirements and are around 20-tonnes heavier. Tanks will also make little difference if fielded in small numbers. To field them at company strength, supported by infantry fighting vehicles and artillery, it is necessary to have a significant number of Ukrainians trained in how to fight the relevant systems, maintain and sustain them, and operate them in groups. This will all take time.
Thanks to the obstructionism and incompetence of the German government, Ukraine has ended up with the worst of the positive outcomes available. Rather than receiving a large number of a single type of tank they are receiving three different Nato-designed tanks, all in limited numbers and each with separate, complex maintenance requirements. This will delay getting these tanks to the front lines. And this is after Ukraine’s partners squandered three months deciding whether or not to send tanks at all. It is unlikely to be forgotten in Kyiv that Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s pointless prevarication has and will continue to cost Ukrainian lives.
The widespread obsession with comparing the technical specifications of Nato versus Russian tanks is broadly inconsequential. Nato tanks are better protected, have better optics and a better process for finding and engaging targets. Tank for tank the Nato armour is superior. But this is a full scale ground war in which the numbers of vehicles fielded and how well they are fought matters far more than the qualities of individual pieces of equipment. As the year goes on therefore it is likely the training pipeline being built that will give Ukrainian troops the decisive edge to take and hold ground.
Given the time it will take for newly pledged equipment to have an effect, it must be understood that the next few months of fighting are going to be hard. The Russians are massing airborne troops in Luhansk and armoured units to the South, while Wagner continues to assault Bakhmut. General Gerasimov, now directly running operations in Ukraine, is pushing for offensive operations to try and draw Ukraine’s reserves into defensive fighting and therefore remove their ability to prepare for offensive operations. The Russians are hoping that if they bleed out Ukraine’s better units now they will hold onto the territory they have seized. For the next couple of months at least Ukraine must avoid these threats with the equipment it already fields.
A wider issue for Ukraine’s partners is that after donating large volumes of front-line in-service equipment, they will need to rearm themselves. The British announcement to send up to 30 AS90 self propelled howitzers, for example, is going to significantly limit training time for the Royal Artillery unless a replacement gun is procured. The political decision to give Ukraine what it needs to win is important, but it must be followed up with a willingness to fund the consequences of the policy.
But for now, the hope in the West is that Ukraine will be able to use this donated equipment to make significant gains this year.
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chesirecat
Super Anarchist
BBC Radio series on the life of Putin (The Moth) from those who had to deal with him.
"Soul? He's KGB he has no soul"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/m0015nfd
"Soul? He's KGB he has no soul"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/m0015nfd
Sailbydate
Super Anarchist
Kiwing's link worked for me, Stinger. Good original post. Thanks.
Thanks, Kiwing. Yes. I've viewed it. Thanks for the additional link. It certainly backs up my original thinking about Putin's imperialist ambitions. Also, how close America sailed to wind by almost electing, Trump for a second term. That was a lucky escape for them and for the West.
Kiwing
Super Anarchist
He is Standing again !! Make America Great again !!
Surely The Americans will not make that mistake. Remember an American President has been elected while he was in Jail !!
Surely The Americans will not make that mistake. Remember an American President has been elected while he was in Jail !!
dogwatch
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Evidently, what they mean when they say that isn't what you are presuming they mean. You've written over a thousand words without mentioning Stepan Bandera, how he collaborated with the Nazis during WWII and why a significant minority of western Ukrainians continue to regard him as a national hero. It is unpleasant to contemplate this while we invest emotionally and financially in UKR but it is a fact.
Equally, bending words out of any rational and historical meaning is hardly unique to Russia. Not a week goes by without some western conservative politician or commentator frothing about "cultural Marxism", as though the phrase had some meaning other than "stuff I don't like". Similarly, at one level, "Nazism" is just "stuff Russian nationalists don't like". In both cases, a boo-word is linked to a set of boo-ideas and the speaker and audience experience a warm glow of pseudo-sophistication. Unfortunately Russia hasn't yet cornered the market in lazy thinking.
Rennmaus
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There is no link that works for me. I'l try later with a VPN.
Not only Zelensky is of Jewish descent, also AFAIK Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal.
Indeed, the Bandera question is missing, as well as the origins of the Azov regiment. Nevertheless, the UKR government is certainly not Nazi, neither is society, at least not more than in other nations.
phill_nz
Super Anarchist
you are equating ukraine with countries that got fucked over by one side or the other
ukraine got badly fucked over by both sides
so anyone can be a hero if they fucked one side well
hitler did them no favours and killed probably millions of them
stalin did them no favours and definitely killed millions of them
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Dervish
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Solyovov is Russia’s most fierce Chicken Hawk. His “military experience” consists of one visit to a Wagner Group unit near the front.
When they interviewed a Russian General, they asked him, “When should we use nuclear weapons?” and he responded “When NATO forces cross into Russia.“
The response was more sabre rattling about bombing Berlin, London, NY.
“They have nuclear weapons, too.”
While the U.S. process for weapon realease is more technology based, the Russians rely on a bureaucratic chain, and those men seem to take their responsibilities seriously. During the Cuban Missile Crisis:
”In 2002, retired commander Vadim Pavlovich Orlov, a participant in the events, held a press conference revealing the submarines were armed with nuclear torpedoes and that Arkhipov was the reason those weapons had not been fired.”
