Ukraine

[phill_nz]

The nazis are being destroyed

as far as i know the rushtard nazis have had ~ 126,160 humanized

the ukrainian casualty lists are not known
the only figures you can get are from the rushtards where wishful thinking is the equivalent of gospel truth for them

if you use the only figures that are available .. in the first month they lost more than the rushtards ( not surprising ... it happens when cowards attack without notice or reason ) .. then things changed around .. since then they have humanized a lot more rushtards than they have lost themselves .. so as a ballpark guesstimate .. probably 40,000 to 60,000 armed forces and tens of thousands of civilian children and adults that were murdered mostly in cold blood

you want to know why that will not stop them ...

The result of Stalin’s campaign was a catastrophe. In spring 1933 death rates in Ukraine spiked. Between 1931 and 1934 at least 5 million people perished of hunger all across the U.S.S.R. Among them, according to a study conducted by a team of Ukrainian demographers, were at least 3.9 million Ukrainians.

cause rushtards are still just low life toilet scum

 

[enigmatically2]

Russia bring peace and calm. Well I suppose after the fall-out settles in the aftermath of the nuclear weapons I proposes using, there would be peace and calm because everyone would be dead

 

[Steam Flyer]

Worth watching.

If I were Russian, I might ask why Dubya's Iraq war was OK but Putin's SMO is not. Both invasions of sovereign nations.

Dubya's (really Cheney's) war in Iraq was not OK. Many many people, including myself and somewhat coincidentally my Congressperson at that time, were strongly against it and spoke publicly against it and considered it as a major issue when voting.

 

[Keith]

 

[dogwatch]

Dubya's (really Cheney's) war in Iraq was not OK. Many many people, including myself and somewhat coincidentally my Congressperson at that time, were strongly against it and spoke publicly against it and considered it as a major issue when voting.

God help me, at the time I believed in Alastair Campbell's dodgy dossier and that SH had a cache of of WMD. I thought that the British government, which I in general supported, had intelligence that it could not reveal but must surely have when it was calling for SH's forced removal. Call it a learning experience for me (and many others).

The casualties of the invasion and ensuing civil war dwarf Ukraine. So far.

 

[Keith]

 

[Dervish]

Worth watching.

If I were Russian, I might ask why Dubya's Iraq war was OK but Putin's SMO is not. Both invasions of sovereign nations.

My contention is there was not a ground-combat trained officer in the Army or Marine Corps who thought it advisable. General Shinseki testified before Congress that we had enough forces to win the war, but not the peace. Had the looting and disorder not occurred the outcome would have been better for all.

Unfortunately Rumsfeld was not a ground-combat trained officer. Some Aviators are still under the illusion you can ‘win” without having an Infantryman standing there with a rifle.

Saddam admitted to interrogators he exaggerated availability of WMD not for the U.S., but Iran. FAAFO

We spent about $1.8 trillion dollars to kill a bunch of civilians, alienate Allies and did not improve the daily lives of average Iraqis one bit. And betrayed the Kurds.

We did give it back.

 

[Dervish]

“If Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine had succeeded in 2022, Ukraine's industries would have been seized and taken over by Russian oligarchs. A leaked document shows that oligarch Konstantin Malofeev intended to create a 'DMZ Concern' from Ukraine's largest plants.”

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@ChrisO_wiki: 1/ If Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine had succeeded in 2022, Ukraine's industries would have been seized and taken over by Russian oligarchs. A leaked document shows that oligarch Konstantin Ma...…

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[dogwatch]

We did give it back.

Broken, burned and shat upon.

UK was there too. I know.

 

[Steam Flyer]

My contention is there was not a ground-combat trained officer in the Army or Marine Corps who thought it advisable. General Shinseki testified before Congress that we had enough forces to win the war, but not the peace. Had the looting and disorder not occurred the outcome would have been better for all.

Unfortunately Rumsfeld was not a ground-combat trained officer. Some Aviators are still under the illusion you can ‘win” without having an Infantryman standing there with a rifle.

Saddam admitted to interrogators he exaggerated availability of WMD not for the U.S., but Iran. FAAFO

We spent about $1.8 trillion dollars to kill a bunch of civilians, alienate Allies and did not improve the daily lives of average Iraqis one bit. And betrayed the Kurds.

We did give it back.

It was a one-time investment in cheap oil. Worked like a charm too, the average USAnian does not think of adding his tax bill to the price of gas at the pump.

 

[Stingray~]

God help me, at the time I believed in Alastair Campbell's dodgy dossier and that SH had a cache of of WMD. I thought that the British government, which I in general supported, had intelligence that it could not reveal but must surely have when it was calling for SH's forced removal. Call it a learning experience for me (and many others).

The 'Mushroom Clouds' hyperbolic story about secret proof of SH's WMD's was a truly awful and terrible lie all along. Remember Valerie Plame, and how even the US Sec Def (what was his name, black guy? edit: the honorable Colin Powell) had serious doubts but got forced to make a case before the UN? Only ONE senator in the US, Bernie Sanders, had the guts to vote no to the war, among all the manufactured hysteria. Trump's Big Lie was extremely dangerous to US democracy but the consequences of the Big Lie that led to the Iraq War were arguably far-far worse!

I suppose the only good news is that the US did pump money into trying to help Iraq over the long term, did not take over their oil fields (as Trump later argued they should have, or else 'what was the point?'), did eventually leave, and did leave it as a democracy somehow, and unlike with RU's intentions probably had no intention to take and occupy it permanently.

Sorry... just had to get that off my chest...

 

[LeoV]

Kortunov of Russian_Council outlines what 🇷🇺 would consider direct 🇷🇺-NATO military confrontation:
-participation of NATO military personnel in fighting;
-use of NATO airfields for attacks;
-attempts to establish a no-fly zone over part/all of Ukraine

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/1

But the rest could be in the grey zone, he says.

 

[Stingray~]

Kortunov of Russian_Council outlines what 🇷🇺 would consider direct 🇷🇺-NATO military confrontation:
-participation of NATO military personnel in fighting;
-use of NATO airfields for attacks;
-attempts to establish a no-fly zone over part/all of Ukraine

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/1

But the rest could be in the grey zone, he says.

I expect the second two to happen out of necessity, unfortunately.

On another topic, heard just now on NPR that PBS's Frontline (who produced 'Putin and the Presidents' posted above) will later this year publish a show titled '20 Days in Mariupol.'

I like to think that while RU did demolish Mariupol in terrible fashion, that they did not do the same to Kharkiv ~may~ suggest there is a limit to their ambitions.

 

[LeoV]

How to Get a Breakthrough in Ukraine

The case against incrementalism.

www.foreignaffairs.com

 

[Zonker]

https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2023/01/30/how_to_fix_a_howitzer_us_offers_help_line_to_ukraine_troops_878561.html

How the US has set up an encrypted chat room to help Ukraine's troops get real time help when their howitzer blows up or won't fire...

"There were times, he said, when they’ll get a picture of a broken howitzer, and the Ukrainian will say, “This Triple 7 just blew up — what do we do?”

And, in what he said was a remarkable new skill, the Ukrainians can now put the split weapon back together. “They couldn’t do titanium welding before, they can do it now,” said the U.S. soldier, adding that “something that was two days ago blown up is now back in play.”

I suspect a lot of behind the scenes help is going on that the US doesn't want to publicize. Heavy depot maintenance (in Poland) of armoured vehicles will come next I guess.

 

[LeoV]

France and Australia announced Monday plans to jointly produce and send several thousand 155-millimeter artillery shells to Ukraine, starting in the coming weeks.

Lecornu said they aim to send the first shells in the first quarter of this year, and that the project is meant to secure a steady supply of shells to Ukraine over time.

France, Australia to supply Ukraine with artillery shells

PARIS (AP) — France and Australia announced Monday plans to jointly produce and send several thousand 155-millimeter artillery shells to Ukraine, starting in the coming weeks. The multimillion-dollar plan is the latest offer of support for Ukraine by both countries, and comes amid growing...

apnews.com

If they can ramp up to several thousands a week, with other countries sending thousands a week too, it solves a problem.

 

[Mark_K]

My contention is there was not a ground-combat trained officer in the Army or Marine Corps who thought it advisable. General Shinseki testified before Congress that we had enough forces to win the war, but not the peace. Had the looting and disorder not occurred the outcome would have been better for all.

Unfortunately Rumsfeld was not a ground-combat trained officer. Some Aviators are still under the illusion you can ‘win” without having an Infantryman standing there with a rifle.

Saddam admitted to interrogators he exaggerated availability of WMD not for the U.S., but Iran. FAAFO

We spent about $1.8 trillion dollars to kill a bunch of civilians, alienate Allies and did not improve the daily lives of average Iraqis one bit. And betrayed the Kurds.

We did give it back.

Shinseki didn't think it would take more troops to take control of the capital and remover the Saddam's government, but he knew it would take far more troops to occupy Iraq than it would to take it. This was was counter to the Cheney/Bush assumption that it would be a simple matter of just removing Saddam...and by Golly an Iraqi George Washington would pop out of the woodwork and make them into something resembling Texas. As if inside every Iraqi was an American waiting to be liberated.

IMO this is the same mistake Putin made, a quick decapitation would do because inside every Ukrainian was a Russian waiting to be liberated. I suspect if the decapitation had succeeded he would've found out the hard way it would take far more troops to occupy Ukraine than to take it as well.

I knew we were being BSed into that war because Saddam would deny access to this place or that to inspectors and we pretended there was no other option but to invade the whole country. Horseshit. We could've simply stood outside the sites in question and said "Can't go in? Alrighty then, you've got 15 minutes to get everybody out of that building because it's going to be a hole in the ground in 16." That site in the NE where supposedly AQ has a base? Is if a couple Airborne battalions with air support couldn't have over run that??

 

[d'ranger]

So at least on paper the US was "bringing democracy" to Iraq and Afghanistan. Equating Putin and Ukraine is a big fail since his goal was and is to wipe Ukraine off the map and make it Russian. The war drums for Iraq woke me from my political slumber although not many listened to me at the time. These people also believe we could have won in Vietnam if we had just killed enough people.

slava Ukraine

 

[chesirecat]

as far as i know the rushtard nazis have had ~ 126,160 humanized

the ukrainian casualty lists are not known
the only figures you can get are from the rushtards where wishful thinking is the equivalent of gospel truth for them

if you use the only figures that are available .. in the first month they lost more than the rushtards ( not surprising ... it happens when cowards attack without notice or reason ) .. then things changed around .. since then they have humanized a lot more rushtards than they have lost themselves .. so as a ballpark guesstimate .. probably 40,000 to 60,000 armed forces and tens of thousands of civilian children and adults that were murdered mostly in cold blood

you want to know why that will not stop them ...

The result of Stalin’s campaign was a catastrophe. In spring 1933 death rates in Ukraine spiked. Between 1931 and 1934 at least 5 million people perished of hunger all across the U.S.S.R. Among them, according to a study conducted by a team of Ukrainian demographers, were at least 3.9 million Ukrainians.

cause rushtards are still just low life toilet scum

Saw one Twitter post a few days back when in one day 850 RU were KIA and 2,400 were injured. Can't find it now.

 

[phill_nz]

Saw one Twitter post a few days back when in one day 850 RU were KIA and 2,400 were injured. Can't find it now.

there are several that do the numbers everyday