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pusslicker

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I see China brokering peace.  I think Biden's threats to China as counter productive.  If anyone can talk to putin and steer this war to a peaceful resolution it will be China.  IMHO
The Chinese are fucking scum. As incompetent as the Russians. This narrative that they are the only ones that can save us is old and total bullshit.

 

d'ranger

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If a retreat does begin it will be interesting to see if UKR makes that easy for them, for example does not target anything moving east. The ideal might be to allow personnel carriers an easy out but take or demolish the heavy gear.
Once the Russians start moving don't expect any get out of jail free cards - not after the targeting of civilians.  Moving supplies and armor means staying on the roads and the locals have options of up close and personal RPGs to shoulder fired munitions from km's away - up to a one hour hike on either side. The Russians have no ability to secure the roads and expect some serious payback in the upcoming days.  A writer on another forum that I respect has been listing all the heavy transports flying into Poland every day - not all bringing food/water and diapers. 

Like the closing statement at bars: You don't have to go home but you can't stay here.

 
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enigmatically2

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There was a Ukrainian transport that went to Turkey and back the other day. That could have collected more Bayraktar. The US has given the small drones and the UK have given some longer range weapons. All in addition to more NLAW, Javelin and Stingers. 

With some of the routes blocked some roads could turn into turkey shoots if they retreat in disorder

 

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“Build your opponent a golden bridge to retreat across.”


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― Sun Tzu

 
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Varan

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Okay, the world needs a bit of cheering up. The USofA doesn't have much to offer, but we do have this...






 
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accnick

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8 hours ago, Varan said:

Okay, the world needs a bit of cheering up. The USofA doesn't have much to offer, but we do have this...


That was a very young Billy Strings!  He looks a bit...different these days.

Incredible talent.

 

Steam Flyer

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I recall articles from the 1980s arguing that the UK must accept cruise missiles at Greenham Common because otherwise, USSR tanks could roll across the West German border and be at the Channel ports 48 hours later. I wonder if they were actually as crap then as they are now?
Would have been reckless to assume so. 

And quite possibly not. If you look at the reliability issues they have been having it is where they the technology has got more complex. For example the article above is talking about electronics (which their tanks back then didn't have). One of the biggest factors in their tyre issues has been the auto-inflation system. Unless that is exercised monthly the tyres get brittle. But back then then they didn't have that system at all.

The Western armed forces  have put increasing amount of effort into reliability, supportability etc as the technology has got more complex. Looks like the Russians didn't (worsened by corruption)
The other issue is training. The US military maintains an almost frantic pace of operations, busier now than durign actual war time. A lot of our NATO allies are not far behind.

Much of this, for us at least, is due to officers getting brownie points for successfully completing training exercises that -don't- get cancelled because of budget, buncha guys down with the flu, recently returned from deployment and taking a break, etc etc.

Training is expensive. Training is also dangerous. And it looks like the Russian Army has fallen below the threshold; but it's very likely things were different back in the day.

- DSK

 
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idontwan2know

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Making a clear call for regime change and retracting it just hours later isn't really what you want from the leader of the free world while we are trying to dodge WWIII.
Biden has done well for the most part, but that was a head slapper for sure.

 

enigmatically2

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The other issue is training. The US military maintains an almost frantic pace of operations, busier now than durign actual war time. A lot of our NATO allies are not far behind.

Much of this, for us at least, is due to officers getting brownie points for successfully completing training exercises that -don't- get cancelled because of budget, buncha guys down with the flu, recently returned from deployment and taking a break, etc etc.

Training is expensive. Training is also dangerous. And it looks like the Russian Army has fallen below the threshold; but it's very likely things were different back in the day.

- DSK
It was always believed that Russian training was poorer than NATO back then too. Indeed worse because their army was even more conscript based.

And interesting assumption that "a lot of our NATO allies are not far behind". I think a fair number of them would be very confident that they were ahead. But then I've only trained with yank, Brit, French, Italians, Dutch, German and a smattering of Australian army

 

Steam Flyer

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It was always believed that Russian training was poorer than NATO back then too. Indeed worse because their army was even more conscript based.

And interesting assumption that "a lot of our NATO allies are not far behind". I think a fair number of them would be very confident that they were ahead. But then I've only trained with yank, Brit, French, Italians, Dutch, German and a smattering of Australian army
Not gonna argue that, the dedication and professionalism of our allies is really impressive. I did some training with the Uk Royal Navy way back when, their attitude was that we Yanks had it too soft with lots of fancy expensive gear.

- DSK

 

chesirecat

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Nothing like a little bit of airborne radiation to focus NATO's mind. Don't know how Viktor Orban will like being contaminated by his RU "ally"

On another note one wonders if RU nukes would self detonate for the same reasons. Solid fuel needs replacing every 10 years. Would break the ice at the party.


"The thirty-second era of heroic confrontation of the Ukrainian people against the Russian military invasion continues.



The opponent continues the full-scale armed aggression against Ukraine.



The enemy in the temporarily occupied territories continues to violate the requirements of International Humanitarian Law succeeds in abducting and intimidating local residents, holding civilian citizens of Ukraine hostage.



Due to the violation of the Russian occupants' rear supply by the Defense Forces, in the settlements of Ivankiv and Orane, the occupants beg the population for food, do not behave aggressively, no facts of looting have been recorded.



The continuation of militarization by Russian occupation troops of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant exclusion zone is celebrated. This seriously raises the risk of damage to the insulation structures built over the station’s fourth power unit after its explosion in 1986. Such damage will inevitably lead to a large amount of radioactive dust entering the atmosphere and infecting it not only in Ukraine, but also other European countries. The Russian occupation troops ignore threats and warnings and continue to transport and store a large number of ammunition in the immediate vicinity of the nuclear station.



Dozens of tons of jet missiles, barrel artillery shells, mortar ammunition are transported every day by units of the Eastern Military District of the Russian Federation from a rear supply base deployed in Narovlyanskyi district and Gomel region of the Republic of Belarus. The transport corridor of immigrants passes through the city of Pripyat and a few hundred meters from the isolation structures of the nuclear plant. Further ammunition storage is carried out in the nearby city of Pripyat, Chernobyl, which is also a short distance from the nuclear power plant. In the city of Chernobyl, occupants deployed a temporary control point of the Eastern War District troops grouping, as well as the command point of the 38th separate motor rifle brigade.



According to available information, Russian occupation troops more often use old and non-conditioner ammunition. This is how the 165th Artillery Brigade from the Bilogirsk Amur Region, which is part of the group, received a permit to use the said ammunition. This raises the risk of their detonation even when loaded and transported. The facts of such self-detonation of ammunition in Russian military warehouses and arsenals are well known and occur regularly.



Defense forces continue to systematically cause losses to the enemy in all directions.



We believe in the Armed Forces of Ukraine! Together we will win! Glory to Ukraine!

 
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Monkey

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It’s strangely appropriate since we used to sponsor an AC team, I’m ok with the fact my company might piss off a few customers because we’re sending plane loads of big engines to the Polish navy. The Kiwis are sending the boats to go with them. I guess coastal/river boats are in demand. 

 

dogwatch

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On another note one wonders if RU nukes would self detonate for the same reasons. Solid fuel needs replacing every 10 years.
A random detonation might scatter fissile matter around but it isn't going to cause a nuclear explosion. It's hard to compress fissile material symmetrically  enough to develop a chain reaction before the assembly is blown apart by the conventional explosives. Figuring out how to do it was one of the major research results of the Manhattan project.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosive_lens

There have been more than 30 known accidents involving nuclear weapons plus who knows how many in the USSR we never knew about. None has so far caused a nuclear explosion. Scary reading all the same.

 https://www.atomicarchive.com/almanac/broken-arrows/index.html

Where did the long piece you pasted above come from please?

 
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