Rain Man
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Lukashenko has so far refused to commit the Belarusian armed forces to attack Ukraine. Putin has every reason to kill him and install a more ruthless and Russia-sympathetic dictator.
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enigmatically2
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To be more accurate, the Belarusian armed forces declined to be committed, on the grounds the generals believed it would result in mutiny. I doubt that has changed
d'ranger
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When your country is at war and more importantly has been invaded by a much larger and powerful neighbor normal life is suspended. See what happened in the US during WWII for instance - we rounded up and imprisoned thousands of US citizens as just one example. So your comparison doesn't fly in this case.
Steam Flyer
Sophisticated Yet Humble
OTOH it's plausible to me, that Putin would believe he had a more compliant puppet waiting to take center-stage, and removing Lukashenko would be to his own advantage. He has made a lot of increasingly faulty decisions lately, almost certainly based on him being told increasingly faulty info by his yes-men.
Rain Man
Super Anarchist
Yes, but Putin may believe a more ruthless dictator could replace those generals, which Lukashenko has so far either been afraid to do, or not succeeded in doing.
enigmatically2
Super Anarchist
He definitely could believe that. It is also definitely possible that he could be wrong and Belarus takes the opportunity to throw off the collar and stop being Putin's poodle
jaysper
Super Anarchist
Your ignorance is absurd.
You've said that the Moskva was important for parades and morale. Trouble is, that I already fucking stated it! What I am talking about is their ability to wage war in theatre.
So, lets look at what actual IN THEATRE functions Moskva performed:
1. Managed to lob missiles into Ukraine.
2. Assisted in taking and holding Snake Island.
So as I correctly stated, the sinking of Moskva did nothing to degrade Russian ability to lob missiles.
Whilst the loss of Moskva most likely contributed to the loss of Snake Island, what did that actually achieve for the Ukrainians?
Yes, it pushed the Russian ships a bit further away, but what did that achieve?
Did it allow Ukrainian war ships to operate there? Nope, they don't have any.
Did it allow the Ukrainian grain ships to operation there? Nope. Whilst the grain ships ARE operating there, the Russians could still deny them access VERY easily without the Moskva. They have chosen not to.
So in summary, and you may need to read this part carefully, the loss of the Moskva had little more impact on the Russians ability to wage war in theatre than if they lost one of their submarines.
Steam Flyer
Sophisticated Yet Humble
In the early stages of the war, when Russia had not yet used up it's trained marines as meat-grinder infantry, the Moskva could have been very useful escorting and providing support for an amphib landing in the Odessa area.
Please don't call others "ignorant" for rejecting the premise that loss of a capital ship... the theater flagship, in fact... is no biggie. It is a biggie!
LeoV
Super Anarchist
Never said that in this discussion with you. Do not make stuff up.
This was about strategic value.
And the rest of your writing, do some research.
My opinion on your tactical/ strategic insights stays...
Kiwing
Super Anarchist
E 2 are you convinced yet that the Ivan Khurs was damaged?
LeoV
Super Anarchist
Plus supporting air control around Snake Island. Plus supporting supplies to Snake.
Russia got a bit cocky and thought they were invulnerable. Flagship gone.
Steam Flyer
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Ex Machina
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Toilet is given to babushka in Vladivostok direction
enigmatically2
Super Anarchist
Actually @jaysper the Moskva was more important than that and so it's sinking had more importance than that. Moskva could provide air defence over a wide area (although not perfect at low level as we have seen). That included radar, command and control as well as weapons. It also a great deal of anti-surface defence. The removal of those makes a lot of operations more possible for Ukraine. One was Snake island, which was more than symbolic because it could not be used to shell the mainland as they were doing.
It made the drone operations against Sevastopol more successful because the prime are defence asset was gone. It may well make other operations more possible in the future-eg if they get F16s.
Ukraine so far has been very clever in its use of a wide range of seemingly unconnected operations which actually all contribute to a systematic weakening if Russia's abilities
It made the drone operations against Sevastopol more successful because the prime are defence asset was gone. It may well make other operations more possible in the future-eg if they get F16s.
Ukraine so far has been very clever in its use of a wide range of seemingly unconnected operations which actually all contribute to a systematic weakening if Russia's abilities
barfy
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It would be nice to think a progressive government could take the reins.
I do believe that if a replacement or stand in were required that chaos would benefit the power brokers and dark money Lord's before democracy broke out. I.e. corrupt Putin stooges that would quickly snuff any resemblance of independence that Belarussia still has.
enigmatically2
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estarzinger
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My Ukrainian friends say the ground is dry and the mud (mostly) gone.
