Ultime / G-Class Development

yl75

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Sodebo is not a new boat, and they're just finding she's got issues from one tack to another? :unsure:

They have brand new foils, but Yann Performis (head of Multiplast shipyard) says in below that of course Sodebo was perfectly symetrical out of the yard :

And then Jean-Christophe Moussard (Sodebo team manager), says that yes it was :

But that they clearly have an issue to clear up (not making it as dramatic as Coville), and that yes, they are disapointed regarding their performance on this race.
 

yl75

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Arthur Le Vaillant has taken over the previous actual (and previous Sodebo, that used pieces of Geronimo) :

So there could be 8 "ultims" at the next RdR :
  1. SVR
  2. Gitana
  3. BP
  4. Sodebo 3
  5. Actual (previous Macif)
  6. Mieux (Arthur LV boat)
  7. IDEC (Francis Joyon)
  8. Use it again (Romain Pillard, previous Ellen Macarthur boat)

Romain pillard is still doing his east west round the world by the way :
 

Schakel

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Gabart won,
He may compete in the Route du Rhum.
✅✅✅ Gabart goes for the Rhum and hopefully the ultim Class acknowledge they caused this and damaged the publics perception of the class, what a shit show

La justice autorise François Gabart à prendre le départ de la Route du Rhum ! - Route du Rhum - Le Télégramme
https://www.letelegramme.fr/voile/r...t-de-la-route-du-rhum-21-07-2022-13120087.php
That's big news.
Same news over here (French):
https://voilesetvoiliers.ouest-fran...xRdxql82daoJgKE9KfNx3jrXnhGDSxQXkyHqv1aKowB5U
MjAyMjA3YTEwYWM1YjQ0MzZhNjhhOGYzMTkxZjBiOTBkZjk3Yzc
 
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NZK

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Good to have another boat on the start line - going to be interesting to see SVR line-up against Gitana.

I'd be interested to see the ruling in more detail; was the ruling favourable because the judge agreed on SVRs interpretation of the rules, or because the earlier actions of the Class by apparently giving favourable reports during the build effectively negated their later attempt to not classify the finished boat??
 

yl75

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Good to have another boat on the start line - going to be interesting to see SVR line-up against Gitana.

I'd be interested to see the ruling in more detail; was the ruling favourable because the judge agreed on SVRs interpretation of the rules, or because the earlier actions of the Class by apparently giving favourable reports during the build effectively negated their later attempt to not classify the finished boat??

It is much more the second, the ruling is based on the procedure and previous exchanges, not on whether the boat conforms to 3.11 or not.
Plus : it is only about the RdR participation (not on SVR being fully part of the class or not).
And Patricia Brochard (head of Sodebo and of the class more or less) gave a press conference, where she says the class is considering appeal :
They will say wether they do it or not next Tuesday 26

That story is clearly not over ..
Note : I read somewhere, that an arrangement could have been SVR carrying an additional 200kg "dead weight" for the RdR.
 

M26

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And Patricia Brochard (head of Sodebo and of the class more or less) gave a press conference, where she says the class is considering appeal :
......

That story is clearly not over ..
Note : I read somewhere, that an arrangement could have been SVR carrying an additional 200kg "dead weight" for the RdR.

looks like that afterall it's not about winches on deck and safety, but SVR being to fast..or more likely Sodebo being fucking slow and bitter.
 
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yl75

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Somehow I would have understood that the class impose some minimal "height" of the cockpit floor, and some form of front windows, if anything for the looks of the boats (and some security), as, if the class survive, and SVR is validated, they will most probably end up looking all the same.

But this would have meant having a full class document (like Imocas) and not relying on OSR rules interpretations, a bit late ...

Not forgetting that a cat is still allowed by the class, and in fact Gabart thought about it.
 

TPG

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Good to have another boat on the start line - going to be interesting to see SVR line-up against Gitana.
Honestly more interested to see Armel vs Charles. Gitana was NOT faster than BPXI at any point of sail during the Finistere Atlantique and BPXI is back in the shed for final mods.

Either SVR is going to be faster or slower given she's only had one chance to match up against the others and there's been nothing to gauge the boats otherwise.
 

Raptorsailor

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What were the technical improvements that were made to the Groupama 3/Idec ultim that allowed it to shave 8 days off its previous TJV time, excluding weather, obviously.

It's pretty impressive, that despite being the template for the modern 30m monsters and being ~15 years old it's still one of the fastest.
 

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What were the technical improvements that were made to the Groupama 3/Idec ultim that allowed it to shave 8 days off its previous TJV time, excluding weather, obviously.

It's pretty impressive, that despite being the template for the modern 30m monsters and being ~15 years old it's still one of the fastest.
Shorter rig, lightened (and small crew), IIRC C-foils and T-foils... but mostly the weather... she had a phenomenally fast and direct run around the bottom of the planet.
 

yl75

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There is a 24h race starting today with 4 ultims : gitana, BP XI, Sodebo, and "Mieux" (ex actual, ex sodebo, ex parts Geronimo).
(Lazartigue not allowed in this race, Le Blevec not there due to some family issue, Joyon not invited/allowed, not part of the class)

And there was some speed runs yesterday, where Sodebo won ! (finally tuned ?) :

The 24h race(440 nm) will be done in "false solo" : skipper + mediaman + one crew not supposed to do anything.

Starts at noon today, tracker :
 
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yl75

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The tracker seems to be full real time : you see the boats moving everytime a new position is received (not all at the same time)
 




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