US isn’t competitive in medal chase at Tokyo 2020 because…

Xeon

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None of the successful sailing would think of using a college system .

 They all use types of squad systems the allow the best sailors of the country to sail against each other full time with out having to worry about earning a living .  They also employ the best coach’s and back room staff they can get.

Unless the USA changes, they unfortunately  will remain also rans .

 

Bill5

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The universities in the UK sail. Most (not all) of the Olympic sailors don't go to university. Those that do wouldn't go university sailing. University sailing is for fun.

 

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The universities in the UK sail. Most (not all) of the Olympic sailors don't go to university. Those that do wouldn't go university sailing. University sailing is for fun.
That's a major reason why Brits do so much better than Americans in Olympic sailing.

Along with sailing clubs on every gravel pit and Viking heritage and Nelson and Dunkirk and all that.

 

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Money certainly seems like a good place to start.  Think the UK has put aside £20,000,000 for the next (3 year) cycle, you need one or two competitive teams per class, plus coaches and specialists, full time on the circuit, without being distracted by too much begging and uncertainty.  

 

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Yeah. The uni circuit was a hell of a lot of fun. I particularly remember (or in some aspects don't) our Irish tour. BUSA could be wild too. Some fairly serious sailors on it though
BUSA, late 80’s Plymouth……lost more than a few brain cells……

Spending 3 or 4 years team racing underpowered dinghies is not the way to go….

 

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1. We do not have a well funded, well run, enthusiastic builder of any of the toys used in Olympic sailing races. 
2. we do not have a class association for  any of the Olympic sailing toys whose management is young, enthusiastic, in attendance at most regattas, dragging sailors out to play, present to the point of obnoxious on multiple sailing forums, and helping multiple sailors to obtain berths in world championships. 
3. Rastegar ( it trickled to EVERY Class)

4. the Miami Olympic Classes Regatta (it sucks a huge amount of money from the general fund of sailing at every level from individual sailors to administration. 
    **What other sport has its premiere event during the off season? 
   ** only a tiny fraction of uS sailors live within a day”s drive of Miami

5. Sailboat racing is absolutely a game where the cream rises and the larger the vat the more pure the cream. The sheer size of the  USA makes it hard to assemble large fleets.

BUT!!! Those who manage sailboat racing do nothing to help large fleets occur. 
* schedule near the large concentrations of sailors

.* start publicity for ALREADY SCHEDULED major events three to five years ahead 

* make certain the self funded weekend warriors are WELCOMED and can participate in a meaningful manner. 
*make certain the  weekend warriors can afford to participate ( venue, travel distance, lodging, food) 

there is a start… when it seems folks actually are doing some of those basic things, I will eagerly offer more assistance 

 

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1. We do not have a well funded, well run, enthusiastic builder of any of the toys used in Olympic sailing races. 
2. we do not have a class association for  any of the Olympic sailing toys whose management is young, enthusiastic, in attendance at most regattas, dragging sailors out to play, present to the point of obnoxious on multiple sailing forums, and helping multiple sailors to obtain berths in world championships. 
3. Rastegar ( it trickled to EVERY Class)

4. the Miami Olympic Classes Regatta (it sucks a huge amount of money from the general fund of sailing at every level from individual sailors to administration. 
    **What other sport has its premiere event during the off season? 
   ** only a tiny fraction of uS sailors live within a day”s drive of Miami

5. Sailboat racing is absolutely a game where the cream rises and the larger the vat the more pure the cream. The sheer size of the  USA makes it hard to assemble large fleets.

BUT!!! Those who manage sailboat racing do nothing to help large fleets occur. 
* schedule near the large concentrations of sailors

.* start publicity for ALREADY SCHEDULED major events three to five years ahead 

* make certain the self funded weekend warriors are WELCOMED and can participate in a meaningful manner. 
*make certain the  weekend warriors can afford to participate ( venue, travel distance, lodging, food) 

there is a start… when it seems folks actually are doing some of those basic things, I will eagerly offer more assistance 
Apart from the laser I don't think any of the Olympic classes are sailed much in the UK. The odd 49er around because people fancy a go, but not really raced 

It's not about class associations, it's not about builders, it's not about clubs or universities. The potential Olympic sailors are hot housed from the age of about 14. There's a program with one goal. It likes to say it's not, but that's just the marketing spin. It's very good at what it does for the few who make it.

 

Gouvernail

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Apart from the laser I don't think any of the Olympic classes are sailed much in the UK. The odd 49er around because people fancy a go, but not really raced 

It's not about class associations, it's not about builders, it's not about clubs or universities. The potential Olympic sailors are hot housed from the age of about 14. There's a program with one goal. It likes to say it's not, but that's just the marketing spin. It's very good at what it does for the few who make it.
When the USA was successful, the formula I described drove the success. 

 

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Apart from the laser I don't think any of the Olympic classes are sailed much in the UK. The odd 49er around because people fancy a go, but not really raced 

It's not about class associations, it's not about builders, it's not about clubs or universities. The potential Olympic sailors are hot housed from the age of about 14. There's a program with one goal. It likes to say it's not, but that's just the marketing spin. It's very good at what it does for the few who make it.
Exactly this. It’s something of a cross between East Germany and the Hunger Games, but it does breed success. There are many downsides to this approach but it’s the best way to increase the medal count. 

 

Phil S

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Apart from the laser I don't think any of the Olympic classes are sailed much in the UK. The odd 49er around because people fancy a go, but not really raced 

It's not about class associations, it's not about builders, it's not about clubs or universities. The potential Olympic sailors are hot housed from the age of about 14. There's a program with one goal. It likes to say it's not, but that's just the marketing spin. It's very good at what it does for the few who make it.
Exactly the same in Australia, Funded by Olympic money filtering down through the sports associations and topped up with government money, plus a few sponsors. So this money and the consequent olympic emphasis dominates Australian Sailing and its prgrams to find and develop gold medalists. The remainig non olympic club sailor majority in club and association sailing survive on the edge.

 

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