US Watercraft receivership ? (Alerion etc)

gcutter

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I little birdie pondered over a scotch this evening...

He was asked "How many C&C bankruptcy events?"

"Let me try

1. First it was that airline guy

2. North South charter guy

3. Hong Kong guy

4 Tartan Yachts guy

5. Now US Watercraft. 

That's 5!  Must be a record in the industry!"


You're missing the first one as the original C&C...1993 or so.

Greg

 

6924

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This is not the first time that an existing and successful marine related business has fallen apart after lawyers get involved in ownership.   "Smart businessmen/people" want to be in the marine industry in the worst way, buy into an otherwise reasonably well run company, and in a matter of years manage to bury it.  This one is ugly in a lot of ways.  C&C angle had nothing to do with it.  Nor BC - he never had an ownership stake in USW/WLS.  He exited some time ago - likely when he saw the writing on the wall.  I'm waiting to see the list of creditors - that will be interesting. 
Borges wasn't an Owner ? 

 

Parma

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So, does anyone think the inability to sell something like the above was because it didn't fit well into a charter fleet scenario?
that and also when you're in that 600k price range for a day sailer there are just a lot of less expensive, and perhaps better, options

 

Mikie

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So -- No real info here....WHo is RBS / Hannibal LLCs...  Who is the Petitioner / Temporary Receiver?  Just curious if this is a restricting thing or a full meltdown??  Good brands, with a place in the market if done correctly??  IMO...

 

jerseyguy

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SailBlueH2O said:
Warren Luhrs the founder of Hunter Marine once asked me...."do you know how to make a small fortune in the boat building business ?....start with a large one"
How to become a millionaire in the _________________ industry (fill in your favorite waste of money).  Start out with $2 million and get out fast.

 
15 hours ago, By the lee said:

So, no more of these.....?


Just how many of those did they actually think they could sell and keep the doors open?  Part of the problem- too much of a niche product line.  We can armchair QB all day, right now is not a good time in the sailboat biz.

 

MidPack

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Alerion Yachts,

C&C Yachts,

True North Yachts,

North Rip Boats,  

licensed builder of several JBoat models


Was US watercraft building the new J/121?  If so I wonder what will happen with that since it appears as though the first boat(s?) is in the middle of production.
Unless something has changed, US Watercraft is/was only the licensed US builder of the J/22, J/24, J/80 and J/105 lines of J/Boats - all models well past their realistic US product lives for new production anyway. So hopefully (to me) almost no impact on J/Boats.

I believe the J/80 and maybe others may still be available from J/Composites in Europe.

 
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Dick Johnson

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I'm guessing I know the answer to this question but what happens to unfinished new boat warranty issues when a company like this goes into receivership?

 

jerseyguy

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I'm guessing I know the answer to this question but what happens to unfinished new boat warranty issues when a company like this goes into receivership?
Complicated.

Builder, who is usually, but not always the owner of the brand, provides the warranty with warranty work done by an authorized dealer.  Dealer then needs to be reimbursed by the builder/owner for its costs.  In cases where the boat is hundreds, if not thousands of miles, from a dealer; the builder/owner will often authorize another yard to perform warranty work, consistent with what it reimburses its authorized dealers.  Cannot speak for other dealers, but warranty claims were a money loser for the dealership I used to work for.  Our billable hourly rate to a client was quite a bit more than what the factory reimbursed us for.  There was no padding hours to get a job done as the factory told us what the time to do a job should be.  Anything beyond about 1/2 a standard deviation from the mean required considerable documentation.

 

MidPack

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Shrinking market? Who can afford these little toys anymore?

Did someone say that these guys made some J boats too?
From above. "Unless something has changed, US Watercraft is/was only the licensed US builder of the J/22, J/24, J/80 and J/105 lines of J/Boats - all models well past their realistic US product lives for new production anyway. So hopefully (to me) almost no impact on J/Boats."

 
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