USSAILING Champions of Champions regatta

eliboat

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Ok, so they have a symposium that discusses one design classes with a appearance by Dave Perry. Awesome. From our class' perspective, being a member never did anything for us as a class other than making us have less cash in the coffers for fleet improvement. Over the years we have applied membership dues and regatta monies to buy new crash boats and fleet boats that interested sailors can use to get them into racing. This has been a great thing, and far more effective than anything US Sailing ever did for the class. The contact I received from US Sailing regarding the CofC was nothing less than a shakedown. Of all people you should know that your class association, the Hobie class association, has thrived and built itself from the very beginning on its independence from the "normal" sailing community as a whole, which in general regards sailing beach cats as something less than the gentlemanly activity of sailing. 25 years ago the CofC regatta would have commanded a big spread in Yachting magazine, and would have been promoted as a big time event. This is certainly not the case now. What ever happened to the one of a kind regatta? In any case, a symposium is just that...talk. When I pay money for something, I expect something in return, this is known as return on investment. The chance to compete at CofC and access to a symposium is really not worth the investment.

 

my nuts

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As far as I can tell, US Sailing is only interested in promoting boats that are built by Vanguard (no offense to Vanguard).
I didn't know that Vanguard made Thistles, Highlanders, 5o5s, Lightnings, Day Dailers, Finns, Snipes, Stars, Y-flyers, Mercurys, Comets, San Juan 21s, Buccaneer 18s, Lido 14s, Geary 18, and Cornado 15s. That's great, now I can't wait to see their display at the boat show. Unless, of course, you're full of it.

 

Dr_Crash

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I would think a Frosty sailor would fit right in, as this is turning out to be a celebration of hard chined boats originally built in wood

Lightning

Comet

Geary 18

Mercury

Snipe

Opti

Star (courtesy of the Mystery Guest & crew)

Y-Flyer

Plus boats originally made of cold molded plywood

Thistle

Higlander

Finn

It's a virtual wooden boat show!!! :rolleyes:

 

MR.CLEAN

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As far as I can tell, US Sailing is only interested in promoting boats that are built by Vanguard (no offense to Vanguard).
I didn't know that Vanguard made Thistles, Highlanders, 5o5s, Lightnings, Day Dailers, Finns, Snipes, Stars, Y-flyers, Mercurys, Comets, San Juan 21s, Buccaneer 18s, Lido 14s, Geary 18, and Cornado 15s. That's great, now I can't wait to see their display at the boat show. Unless, of course, you're full of it.
Are you saying that the entry list for the C of C is a promotion for the classes listed therein?

 

Winever

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I would think a Frosty sailor would fit right in, as this is turning out to be a celebration of hard chined boats originally built in wood
Lightning

Comet

Geary 18

Mercury

Snipe

Opti

Star (courtesy of the Mystery Guest & crew)

Y-Flyer

Plus boats originally made of cold molded plywood

Thistle

Higlander

Finn

It's a virtual wooden boat show!!! :rolleyes:

Dr. Crash, thanks for the hard chine list, that could change things for the second 10. I'm thinking the hard chiners would have an edge too. That would make me move Oscar Barney up to 14th place.

Should be a fun time.

Cheers Winever.

 
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my nuts

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As far as I can tell, US Sailing is only interested in promoting boats that are built by Vanguard (no offense to Vanguard).
I didn't know that Vanguard made Thistles, Highlanders, 5o5s, Lightnings, Day Dailers, Finns, Snipes, Stars, Y-flyers, Mercurys, Comets, San Juan 21s, Buccaneer 18s, Lido 14s, Geary 18, and Cornado 15s. That's great, now I can't wait to see their display at the boat show. Unless, of course, you're full of it.
Are you saying that the entry list for the C of C is a promotion for the classes listed therein?
no, I'm pointing out that only two of the classes in the regatta have any relation to Vanguard. if this were a promotion vehicle for Vanguard, don't you think that they would have a bunch of others in there, too? eliboat may have some other valid points in his post, but this clearly isn't one of them. I have never been a class officer, so I do not have that range of experience.

I couldn't care one way or another with regard to ussailing, although I am happy to pay my personal dues as they are really not much of a factor in my total boating budget. I do think that there are some great sailors in this event, and I only wish that I could go to watch the action, or have some video of the event, or something. It would be nice if this event were promoted 1/10th as much as the NOODs are, though.

 

Dr_Crash

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As far as I can tell, US Sailing is only interested in promoting boats that are built by Vanguard (no offense to Vanguard).
I didn't know that Vanguard made Thistles, Highlanders, 5o5s, Lightnings, Day Dailers, Finns, Snipes, Stars, Y-flyers, Mercurys, Comets, San Juan 21s, Buccaneer 18s, Lido 14s, Geary 18, and Cornado 15s. That's great, now I can't wait to see their display at the boat show. Unless, of course, you're full of it.
Are you saying that the entry list for the C of C is a promotion for the classes listed therein?
The conditions for the race state http://championships.ussailing.org/Adult/CofC/Conditions.htm

1. THE CHAMPIONSHIP

1.1. The Championship of Champions regatta will be held annually

1.2. The regatta will be organized by the Championship of Champions Committee of US SAILING, the Organizing Authority.

1.3. The regatta will be hosted by a US SAILING member club selected by the Championship of Champions Committee.

1.4. The objectives of the regatta are:

a. to provide the highest quality regatta for the Champions of qualifying One Design Classes,

b. to promote the host class and the classes represented by the participating champions,

c .to encourage participation and promote excellence in One Design Class racing,

d. to showcase the host club, and

e. to showcase the event sponsors.

So

It should be a highest quality regatta (check)

It should promote the host class, Lightnings (check)

It should encourage participation and excellence with World Champions from Lightnings & 505s etc down to the national champions of the Optis, Flying Juniors and Laser Radials (check)

It should showcase the host club, Carlyle Sailing Assocation (check)

It should showcase the event sponsors (in progress).

It SHALL be fun!

 

Dr_Crash

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As far as I can tell, US Sailing is only interested in promoting boats that are built by Vanguard (no offense to Vanguard).
I didn't know that Vanguard made Thistles, Highlanders, 5o5s, Lightnings, Day Dailers, Finns, Snipes, Stars, Y-flyers, Mercurys, Comets, San Juan 21s, Buccaneer 18s, Lido 14s, Geary 18, and Cornado 15s. That's great, now I can't wait to see their display at the boat show. Unless, of course, you're full of it.
Are you saying that the entry list for the C of C is a promotion for the classes listed therein?
no, I'm pointing out that only two of the classes in the regatta have any relation to Vanguard. if this were a promotion vehicle for Vanguard, don't you think that they would have a bunch of others in there, too? eliboat may have some other valid points in his post, but this clearly isn't one of them. I have never been a class officer, so I do not have that range of experience.

I couldn't care one way or another with regard to ussailing, although I am happy to pay my personal dues as they are really not much of a factor in my total boating budget. I do think that there are some great sailors in this event, and I only wish that I could go to watch the action, or have some video of the event, or something. It would be nice if this event were promoted 1/10th as much as the NOODs are, though.
The Official Program is about to be released. Stay tuned.

 

Dr_Crash

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On the water photography will be provided by Rick Bernstein here http://championships.ussailing.org/Adult/C...CofC_photos.htm

He is the director of the Lightning training video, Taming the Spinnaker Beast available through the ILCA here http://www.lightningclass.org/marketplace/...cdDvd/index.asp

This video features CofC participant and 2007 Rolex Yachtsman of the Year Jeff Linton, Amy Smith Linton (also in the CofC) and Bill Fastiggi. With added commentary by 2009 World Champions Tobi & Dan Moriarty, CofC Regatta Chairman (and 2005 & 2006 North American Champion) Matt Burridge plus Skip Dieball (also a CofC participant) and Rick Bernstein himself.

 

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Interesting dialogue so far...The concept is a good one.Definately should be promoted more as an event by USSailing ,and all other outlets.The group here is distinguished and varied which will make for an interesting regatta.Does it solve anything?...no but Ill bet the stories and the racing wil be top notch.A couple of these skippers have already won this event ...now thats an accomplishment!

 

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Given the list below, the crew factor will be huge. Moriarty, Starck, Fowler, Wake, Hunt, Speery, etc. all will help their respective teams.

This will be a good one to see how it all plays out.

If the wind is light, Terhune, Linton and Fisher are going to be dangerous. Breezy, watch out for Peck, Dieball. Non-lightning guys to watch: Cayard, Martin, Raab & Diaz.

Dude, you got to give people a link or something.
Throw us a bone
US Sailing Championship of Champions Regatta

Competitor List:

Sail Fleet US SAILING Area Skipper/Crew Hometown Yacht Club

1. Lightning Oscar Barney

Tim Mills

Kevin Stravers Portland, Oregon USA

2. Lightning Paul Cayard

Austin Sperry

Kristine Wake Kentfield, CA USA

3. Lightning Augie Diaz

Barr Batzer

Michele Sumpton MIami, FL USA

4. Lightning Ted Dickson

Emily Dickson

Jonathan Foot Matthews, NC USA

5. Lightning Skip Dieball

Jody Starck

Tom Starck Toledo, OH USA

6. Lightning Greg Fisher

Dan Moriarty

Tobi Moriarty Annapolis, Maryland USA

7. Lightning Talbott Ingram

Carol Lee Ingram

Tal Ingram Fair Haven, New Jersey USA

8. Lightning Jeffrey Linton

Amy Smith Linton

Todd Wake Tampa, FL USA

9. Lightning Mike Martin

Stephanie Martin

Neal Fowler Newport Beach, CA USA

10. Lightning Olin Paine

Rebecca King

Steve Hunt *, * USA

11. Lightning Darrell Peck

Lois Parshley

Allison Webber Gresham, OR USA

12. Lightning Chris Raab

Ryan Minth

Kenneth Dair Sunset Beach, CA USA

13. Lightning Stuart Robertson

Mead Whitlock Batchelor IV

Mark Ryan Huntington Beach, Ca USA

14. Lightning David Rumbaugh

Steven Fishman

Anne Newton Sacramento, California USA

15. Lightning David Spira

Dennis Martinelli

James Daus Denver, CO USA

16. Lightning Allan Terhune, Jr.

Catherine Terhune

Dave Perkowski Arnold, MD USA

17. Lightning Jeff Thomas

Michael Foster

Gary Peterson New Bern, NC USA

18. Lightning Mateo Vargas

Mary Kate Hall

Christopher Gardiner *, * USA

19. Lightning Paul White

Patrick Passafiume

Tony Passafiume Indianapolis, IN USA

20. Lightning Christopher Williford

Marc Schillebeeckx

Titou Schillebeeckx *, * USA

There are some one-design heavy hitters in there.
 

eflat

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your predictions are pretty good.Dark horse is the Ingram clan....Could be overlooked.

Pick em North guys....Linton,Diaz,Dieball,ingram,Peck,Cayard from there who knows....

 

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Are you saying that the entry list for the C of C is a promotion for the classes listed therein?
no, I'm pointing out that only two of the classes in the regatta have any relation to Vanguard. if this were a promotion vehicle for Vanguard, don't you think that they would have a bunch of others in there, too?
You seem not to understand how participants enter this event. NA or US national champs submit an application to be part of it, and my understanding is that no one who won such an event was refused. And there is no Vanguard, only a rapidly dying LaserPerformance that seems to be pulling its dick out and shooting it, over and over.

edit: my bad. Apparently a few application were refused as over the limit, I am working on finding out what the stated and actual criteria are.

 
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Are you saying that the entry list for the C of C is a promotion for the classes listed therein?
no, I'm pointing out that only two of the classes in the regatta have any relation to Vanguard. if this were a promotion vehicle for Vanguard, don't you think that they would have a bunch of others in there, too?
You seem not to understand how participants enter this event. NA or US national champs submit an application to be part of it, and my understanding is that no one who won such an event was refused. And there is no Vanguard, only a rapidly dying LaserPerformance that seems to be pulling its dick out and shooting it, over and over.

edit: my bad. Apparently a few application were refused as over the limit, I am working on finding out what the stated and actual criteria are.
I presume the 20 participant limit is because of the number of quality one design boats generally available. The host (CSA) has about 15 Lightnings and being able to provide a good portion of the boats would determine if a club wins the USSA bid. I agree with other comments, this championship event could be so much more as far Internet media and draw of the one design racing community. Lot of personalities with great interviews. Lots of potential that just needs to be tapped in my opinion.

 

Dr_Crash

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I presume the 20 participant limit is because of the number of quality one design boats generally available. The host (CSA) has about 15 Lightnings and being able to provide a good portion of the boats would determine if a club wins the USSA bid. I agree with other comments, this championship event could be so much more as far Internet media and draw of the one design racing community. Lot of personalities with great interviews. Lots of potential that just needs to be tapped in my opinion.
CSA has enlisted the aid of the ILCA to get a fleet of evenly matched, newer boats. They are bringing in boats from at least these Lightning fleets; Sheboygan WI, Chicago IL, Wauwasee IN, Nashville TN & Memphis TN. I'd guess some of the participants who are also ILCA members will bring their boats too (e.g. Dieball North Cape OH, Fisher OH, maybe Terhune MD & Linton Davis Island FL). There is a huge amount of effort to assure fair racing.

There will be a press availability after the regatta, so there should be lots of interviews then. Rick Bernstein is really good with video and has an official photo boat, so I expect there will be much more, but I don't know any details.

US Sailing should start beating the drum now that the Women's Keelboat event is over. They didn't want to detract from their other championships. This week will be CofC's turn. Watch your e-mail. Somebody should be making the program available soon.

 

MR.CLEAN

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US Sailing should start beating the drum now that the Women's Keelboat event is over. They didn't want to detract from their other championships. This week will be CofC's turn. Watch your e-mail. Somebody should be making the program available soon.
Promoting an event two days before it is not "beating the drum." But we're on it now - this is too cool not to write about.

 

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Why no offense to Vanguard? Because Steve Clark sit on the BOD of US Ailing? Because our youth are forced to sail Club 420s instead of 29ers, while Mr. Clark sails ICs, C cats,etc....?

You are not entirely correct Hobie... A few years back I was commodore of the Frosty fleet in NH, and I got an email from US Sailing asking who our champion for the season was. I told the guy who had won, and that he would be a great addition to the CofC should they want to send an invite. I got a response saying that they really wanted our champ to be there, but that we hadn't paid US Sailing dues and that would have to be done before he could go. I told the guy to go fuck himself and then explained that we as a class were growing rapidly and had come back from the brink of extinction without any help from US Sailing. In the past we had paid our dues only to get nothing, so I told Peter, our champ that year (and an excellent sailor who eventually won a few races at the event) that if he wanted to go, that he would have to pay the fleet dues. As a class we have stood by our policy to not be US Sailing members as they do nothing to support the dinghy classes that they purport promote by having the CofC regatta. As far as I can tell, US Sailing is only interested in promoting boats that are built by Vanguard (no offense to Vanguard).

Gouvernail said:
ISAF has a rule requiring thier approval for regattas named worlds.
Somebody with some clout...perhaps SA .... needs a rule about the use of Champion of Champions...

This so called Champion of Champions regatta has a MUCH LONGER LIST of "those who really ought to be there but aren't"..... Than its list of those who are.

At what point do we , the sailors, say to USSailing, "If you are going to hold a farce. DON"T cheapen the title or embarass the entire nation by calling your event Champion of Champions.

Seriously, USSailing should be ashamed of the field.

Where are the various members of the US Olympic sailing team?

How about the collegiate champions?

The youth champions??

Hell.. How about Mary Helen's top kid from LYRA???

What percentage of the one design fleets with 100 or more national members are represented by their current national champions??

How about winners from divisions of the NOOD regattas? Key West race Week?? SF Big Boat series??

Have any USSailors recently prospered in international events?? Why aren't they sailing the C 0f C

Where are the top finishers from the recent Laser worlds? Even The Laser Masters Worlds?? (Some who didn't even qualify are sailing the the Champions of Champions)

Where is the current Sunfish world champion...He is from the US.

The fleet has a few pretty darned good sailors. It should be a fun event for those present.

The foolishness that is calling the event the "Championship of all the Champions" is exactly the sort of non-sense that screams...

Disband USsailing before USSailing can do more damage to our sport.
Oh, please, Gouv. Give it a rest.

The CofC has been around for a long time - like 25 years. First of all, you need to win a Nationals / NAs in a class. Then you have to want to go - by filling out an entry form. Do you think that most keelboat drivers would want to sail on Lk. Carlyle in Lightnings?

I did it in 2006 and had a great time. The transition from a Hobie 17 (singlehanded catamaran) to a Y-Flyer (doublehanded, hard chine scow) was a bit of a stretch and I got my ass handed to me. I still had a great time.
 

my nuts

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Are you saying that the entry list for the C of C is a promotion for the classes listed therein?
no, I'm pointing out that only two of the classes in the regatta have any relation to Vanguard. if this were a promotion vehicle for Vanguard, don't you think that they would have a bunch of others in there, too?
You seem not to understand how participants enter this event. NA or US national champs submit an application to be part of it, and my understanding is that no one who won such an event was refused. And there is no Vanguard, only a rapidly dying LaserPerformance that seems to be pulling its dick out and shooting it, over and over.

edit: my bad. Apparently a few application were refused as over the limit, I am working on finding out what the stated and actual criteria are.
look, you self important twit. I understand perfectly well how participants are chosen, especially since I possess at least the reading comprehension of a 5th grader and can read the entirety of a post that I am replying to in the first place. I would hope that you, a self-proclaimed journalist and well-known holder of a postgraduate degree for which detailed reading comprehension is an integral part, would possess the same, but obviously I am mistaken, so let me spell this out for you in simple words that you'll be able to understand:

To sum up: original poster made claim to promotion of Vanguard (or laser performance, or whatever they're calling themselves, does it really matter? was anyone confused by this reference?). I replied with obvious contradictory evidence. I have made no claims about who or what was being promoted other than in the negative with regard to vanguard. although, given the history and supposed prestige of this event, I did say that it would be nice to have some visibility from USSailing.

As I've said before, you may or may not be a pretty cool guy in person (and some friends of mine can attest to this fact), but sometimes what you post on here makes you come off as a total douche. I hope you enjoy yourself at the upcoming M24 worlds, and perhaps I'll run into you at the EYC bar one of these days where maybe you can confirm or contradict my impression of you.

 

Dr_Crash

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Promoting an event two days before it is not "beating the drum." But we're on it now - this is too cool not to write about.
The normal purpose of promoting an event is to elict entries. Given the extremely stringent entry requirements (National, North American, World or Olympic Champion) the pool of candidates is very limited. Entry closed two months ago.

There isn't anything to see until the clan gathers at CSA.

However, if there is anything that someone wants, but does not see, throw your idea out for consideration.

I'll give you one to start. Why not do dual scoring for both the competitors and the boat owners? Formula One has both driver and manufacturer trophies. Let's put the names of those ILCA members generous enough to lend their personal boats for the cause into print.

Any questions for the competitors?

Fire away. The worst that can happen is you'll get flicked (a SA tradition!)

 




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