Vendee Globe 2020

SCARECROW

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Have I missed anything, or is it still radio silence from Charal?
I'm not sure who technically owns the boat or what the contracts are but I can't see Charal heading back out.  The return on investment just isn't there.  They break their backs fix the boat, head out to sea weeks behind the fleet.  They'll be getting no coverage have no chance of a result but still the same chance of another breakage and more expense.

 

Miffy

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I'm not sure who technically owns the boat or what the contracts are but I can't see Charal heading back out.  The return on investment just isn't there.  They break their backs fix the boat, head out to sea weeks behind the fleet.  They'll be getting no coverage have no chance of a result but still the same chance of another breakage and more expense.
The French love a story of persistent spirit of striving to win nothing but spirit of the challenge - if I were Charal I would pivot to 24/7 data; daily cooking with Jeremy featuring Charal products. More coverage as a loser with courage than every other boat except Hugo Boss. 

 

stief

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Been looking for info about HB's 'broach' in Theta mentioned on the Live, and not finding much other than this understatement:

After a week of racing in the Vendée Globe, Alex now heads south after passing through Storm Theta yesterday in some challenging conditions. The routing had HUGO BOSS tacking just before the eye of the storm, however 70 miles from the centre with consistent wind of 50 knots and 5 metre waves, the boat violently broached. Whilst the boat was on its side and head to the wind, Alex decided to sail away from the storm’s centre in a south westerly direction. Since then, Alex and HUGO BOSS have been making good progress leading the fleet south, and as the storm tracks to the east, conditions on HUGO BOSS became more manageable overnight. HUGO BOSS is now sailing at full speed downwind towards the trade winds.
https://www.alexthomsonracing.com/the-hub/author/atr/

 
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Essex

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I for one am attempting to detoxify from my vicious and debilitating pre-election addiction to Political Anarchy. I am now hiding out in the happy land of socially distanced solo yacht racing where there is esprit de corps among the sea loving nations of the world, good natured bickering between the Brits and the French and no Trump boat parades. So, if you don’t mind, can we please keep that whoref*cking orange nazi out of this?
I quite agree, was right with you up until that last word zinger you threw out. That's not how you do it.

 

terrafirma

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I'm not sure who technically owns the boat or what the contracts are but I can't see Charal heading back out.  The return on investment just isn't there.  They break their backs fix the boat, head out to sea weeks behind the fleet.  They'll be getting no coverage have no chance of a result but still the same chance of another breakage and more expense.
Yeah it's not the same if your not sailing to win.! Mental state wouldn't be there either. It may very well be a team decision rather than Jeremie's  but I don't know the structure of the team. You gotta feel for him he got his boat on the water earlier than everyone and put in the hard yards. I'd like to know though why so much damage that wasn't collision related? Sounds like collateral but must be a big list?

 

jack_sparrow

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  if I were Charal I would pivot to 24/7 data; daily cooking with Jeremy featuring Charal products. More coverage as a loser with courage than every other boat except Hugo Boss. 
Excellent idea Miff ...but is it in his DNA to go a bit more relaxed even >1k behind?

 

Miffy

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Do it as an independent challenge against time - 1. Goal = beat the 2016 record. 2. Goal 2 = beat 2020 winner’s time. Sort of like original Sunday Times golden globe race 

im just spitballing and totally understand if Jeremy isn’t up to it - 4 years is a long time and it is like an Olympic campaign shattered by 2020... but I’d love to follow if they do this and it’ll make me think of Charal products. 

 
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Laurent

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I would say start within the time limit (Wednesday 2:40 PM if I recall correctly) so you are in the race. And then break unofficial mid-points times such as Les Sables to Equator, Equator to Good Hope, Good Hope to Leeuwin, etc.

And maybe finish in the top 10; that would be a great story for the sponsor...

 

loneshark64

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I'd like to know though why so much damage that wasn't collision related? Sounds like collateral but must be a big list?
I had the same question. I saw the descriptions of what happened we all have seen, but it certainly seemed a lot of secondary damage from debris and parts. It would give you pause before going into another blow. I had thought it would be good to see him try to get around fast but perhaps not.

 
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BGeff

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I would say start within the time limit (Wednesday 2:40 PM if I recall correctly) so you are in the race. And then break unofficial mid-points times such as Les Sables to Equator, Equator to Good Hope, Good Hope to Leeuwin, etc.

And maybe finish in the top 10; that would be a great story for the sponsor...
Agreed!  Think about how Mich Deaux came back and won, though that is almost certain it won't happen with Charal.  Or the story of Yves Parlier and the story plus exposure he got with his incredible feat.  And I am sure there are a number of others I can't think of right now.  

 

Sailbydate

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For all my French pals, at least AT doesn't drive a bloody, Land Rover.

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Miffy

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Agreed!  Think about how Mich Deaux came back and won, though that is almost certain it won't happen with Charal.  Or the story of Yves Parlier and the story plus exposure he got with his incredible feat.  And I am sure there are a number of others I can't think of right now.  
I think the diff now is the top teams are so close it is so hard to recover. Michel Desjoyeaux was so uniquely dominant in being able to get exclusive working relationships with industry it is almost like he expanded his working team & got all the NKE modes that no one else got before it was announced and basically had a full time helms person in an era when ppl still had to helm by hand to find and sustain speed. 

 

jack_sparrow

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I'm not sure who technically owns the boat or what the contracts are but I can't see Charal heading back out.  The return on investment just isn't there.  They break their backs fix the boat, head out to sea weeks behind the fleet.  They'll be getting no coverage have no chance of a result but still the same chance of another breakage and more expense.
ROI not there .....beg to differ. 

There is also the 'human spirit' podium. 

Desjoyeaux first win in 2001 (his second was after a turn back) was after a battle with Parlier who then unfortunately lost his mast in Southern Ocean, then the most bizzare carbon fix in history while eating fucking seaweed and finished a month behind Desjoyeaux. That was to a winners crowd numbers welcome in Les Sables d'Olonne and ahead of two other boats. 

Same edition Golding came 7th after having lost 7 days (a place for every day  :D ) going back to replace his first mast that went to the bottom of the ocean. 

Coleman in 2016 early troubles incl electrical fire and out the back. but still uploading media content and then finishing no mast. He probably secured higher ROI than any other team.

Countless other examples incl I think 3 no keel finishes?

The VG podium isn't the only measure for ROI on investment. 

 
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stief

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I would say start within the time limit (Wednesday 2:40 PM if I recall correctly) so you are in the race. And then break unofficial mid-points times such as Les Sables to Equator, Equator to Good Hope, Good Hope to Leeuwin, etc.

And maybe finish in the top 10; that would be a great story for the sponsor...
Quick snip of some of the official WSSRC records that may be relevant. 

Intermediate Round The World Records
Equator to Equator

19-01-05    Monohull    "PRB" Vincent Riou FRA    61d 22h 46m

South Indian Ocean
18-12-04    Monohull    "Ecover" Mike Golding GBR    14d 21h 1m

South Pacific Ocean
04-01-05    Monohull    "Ecover" Mike Golding GBR    16d 5h 26m

South Atlantic

North Atlantic                
01-11-15    40ft Monohull    "Croix Du Sud" Henrik Masekowitz GER    18d 2h 8m 28s

 

terrafirma

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Just over 700 miles to the Doldrums. This could play a huge part in this years race. They should be there in around 3 days based on a 15 knot average. We need Jack's analysis on this one as we close in to see what the weather is doing. 

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