Vendee Globe 2020

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Table is from tip and shaft. I was looking around for one and this may not be the official one. 

34 places in the VG. About 6600 miles still available in the two Transat races next year. Solo or double handed doesn't seem to be a factor. Just miles raced in the series races. 

The quali is total miles in those races with max entry list of 34. So if you are 35th after the NY-VG race you need someone above to drop out for some reason. 

It's an interesting additional pressure on those further down the list. 

 
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Damien Seguin is 23rd in your list; why do you say that anybody below him is at risk? I thought that the max number of skippers was originally 30, and extended to 33 (or is it 34???)

What is the minimum number of miles to be done in solo conditions, with your boat for the race to qualify? Is it 8000 miles and this is why you draw the line at Damin Seguin?

And by the way, thanks for the table!
This may help. Its in French.  If you click the table it downloads.

https://mailchi.mp/tipandshaft.com/tip-shaft-185-vende-globe-tensions-sur-la-liste-des-inscrits-david-raison-415-milles-en-24h-en-class40-a-ne-me-surprend-pas-483658?e=9a497c6fa7

 

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Table is from tip and shaft. I was looking around for one and this may not be the official one. 

34 places in the VG. About 6600 miles still available in the two Transat races next year. Solo or double handed doesn't seem to be a factor. Just miles raced in the series races. 

The quali is total miles in those races with max entry list of 34. So if you are 35th after the NY-VG race you need someone above to drop out for some reason. 

It's an interesting additional pressure on those further down the list. 


jb5, thanks a lot for the explanations. The article you linked has a lot of interesting news regarding Yann Eliès project!

So, yes, Yann Eliès is officially registered. The deadline was November 1st, and the race organization communicated the list of all official contenders, therefore his name showed up, even though Yann or his sponsors have not made an official announcement yet! One of the reasons for is that according to his team manager, nothing has been fully wrapped up and signed yet...

One more important point, is that Yann, as stated has registered with a new boat, and once you are registered with a specific boat, you cannot change boats! So he HAS to build a new boat in about 9 months. The reason is that he has to sail at least 2000 miles on his new boat prior to the next deadline, July 1st, 2020. Which means that the boat has to be ready to sail by mid-June 2020 at the latest.

According to the article, this can be done, with existing molds; so who is willing to rent their molds?

Arkea Paprek (plan Juan Kouyoumdjian) said no. Charal (plan VPLP) said that the molds are available but has not stated whether Yann Eliès contacted them or not. Apivia (plan Verdier) said the molds are potentially available as well but implied that they have not been contacted by Yann Eliès. Advenc (plan Verdier) said the molds are available but they have not been contacted by Yann Eliès.

Regarding which shipyard would be available for such a blitzkrieg operation, CDK has not answered the journalists, but seems too busy. Multiplast declined to answer, but after the delivery of DMG Mori for Kojiro Shiraishi, they seem to be the only ones with an opening for such a build...

The articla also confirmed that Conrad Coleman has rented Vivo a Beira, from Pierre Lacaze. It was supposed to be the boat for Yoann Richomme, winner of La Solitaire Figaro in 2019, but Yoann gave up 2 weeks prior to registration deadline...

 

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jb5, thanks a lot for the explanations. The article you linked has a lot of interesting news regarding Yann Eliès project!
You're welcome. I meant to post that link originally but forgot. When I first read the article I found it a bit speculative and long to translate but looking at it again now it is worth sharing. Thanks 

 

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4 of the up to 34 starting places are at the decision of the race organizer. Better be in the top 30. :)

To qualify skippers must have finished in at least one imoca championship race after the last VG. In case of major damage in the last race before the next VG the race organizer can allow a solo passage as substitute. (That should be the NY-Vendée. Also not much time after that.)

In case qualification in a double handed race, only via the last VG or on a different boat the previously mentioned 2000+nm solo passage is required.

Overall the rules are much tighter than last round. Trying to reward skippers that are consistently working on their campaign and putting the brake on last minute entries. Not bad. In fact much better than just going by entry date. Should reduce the amount of early failures somewhat.

 
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The 30 then 4 discretionary adds thing combined with the quali miles and I believe the imoca championship standings in the case of milage ties makes those with lower rankings very very risky. But it's great to have the boats being used more. There was a time when they were hardly used until the main event. 

 
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Last VG the skippers had 8 years to qualify. Some of the qualifications races were rather weak and very late.

Finishers can go again. That helps a lot with long term campaigns.
Guaranteed slots for new boats means that there are new boats. Nine new boats added to the list is not bad at all! Record or not?
Sorting by miles and championship forces skippers to be active (or hope for a really slow year).
Additional slots for special cases. Diversity, promotion, bad luck during qualifiers. Whatever is required.

Good for the class and good for the race. In case there is no interest everyone can still get in.

 

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Last VG the skippers had 8 years to qualify. Some of the qualifications races were rather weak and very late.

Finishers can go again. That helps a lot with long term campaigns.
Guaranteed slots for new boats means that there are new boats. Nine new boats added to the list is not bad at all! Record or not?
Sorting by miles and championship forces skippers to be active (or hope for a really slow year).
Additional slots for special cases. Diversity, promotion, bad luck during qualifiers. Whatever is required.

Good for the class and good for the race. In case there is no interest everyone can still get in.
Pretty sure 2007/08 edition had more new boats but less total entries. Could be wrong...

 
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A quick look at the xls file from histoiredeshalfs.com

2020 - 9 out of 30-34
2016 - 7 out of 29
2012 - 5 out of 20
2008 - 15 out of 30
2004 - 6 out of 20
2000 - 14 out of 24
1996 - 14
 

So not a record but rising once more.

 

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2008 was amazing.  A few designers as well.

# 9 for 2020 isn't confirmed yet.  They were pretty clear that nothing is completed.  They had to register (refundable up to a certain point as I understand it) to have the opportunity to be in the race in case it all comes together in time.  I'd like to see Yann in the race but he has been firm that he was interested in a entry that could win.  I think the timing is too tight for 2020.

 

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Interesting ice zone in the Brest Atlantiques race that is currently underway. It extends up into the south Atlantic high as its currently located. If this were to happen next year on the VG with similar ice zones in place there would be a good chance of significantly more upwind sailing in an area where high speed reaching is expected. Those who compromised design on upwind performance would be suffering. 

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A quick look at the xls file from histoiredeshalfs.com

2020 - 9 out of 30-34
2016 - 7 out of 29
2012 - 5 out of 20
2008 - 15 out of 30
2004 - 6 out of 20
2000 - 14 out of 24
1996 - 14
 

So not a record but rising once more.
FWIW...  Here's a list of all of the IMOCA 60's (35 total) on the IMOCA class website, sorted by launch year.  If that's comprehensive of all IMOCA 60's presently in existence, it suggests nearly every existing IMOCA 60 will be doing VG2020.  I haven't checked to see which of these are the few that aren't doing it.

27 of these existed for the 2016 event, where 29 boats raced...  and 20 of them existed for the 2012, where 20 raced...  And 16 of them existed for 2008, where 30 raced...  And only 2 of them existed in 2004 and 2000.  I don't have a list of which IMOCA 60s have been lost/destroyed and what years they were built, so I don't know exactly how large the global fleet was for the start of each VG...  And I don't know if some still exist that aren't listed on the IMOCA class site...  Those two things would explain why more raced than existed from the below list (particularly the 2008 entries)...  But it seems that in addition to a solid number of new boats for every VG...  There is also very high participation, in terms of the number of IMOCA 60's in existence showing up to do the VG.

Or am I misunderstanding the class site?  Are there a lot of IMOCA 60's out there not listed on the class site, such that my perception of a very high participation rate is just because the site only lists the actively racing boats?

1998 FRA 72 4MyPlanet. Originally Le Pingouin.

2000 GBR 77 Pip Hare Ocean Racing.  Originally Superbigou.

2006 FRA 50. Campagne de France. Originally Sarnia.

2006 FRA 83. Fortil.  Originally Giraud'Scope.

2006 FRA 35 Vers Un Monde Sans Sida.  Originally Faroha3.

2007 FRA 71. Group Setin. Originally Trimtastic.

2007 FRA 01. Corum L'Epargne TJV. Originally Foncia.

2007 SUI 07. La Fabrique. Originally Helvetia.

2007 FRA 14. La Mie Caline-Artipole. Originally Diaboleo.

2007 FRA 27 MACSF. Originally Safran.

2007 FIN 222 Ariel 2

2007 FRA 92. Time for Oceans.  Originally Black Sambuca.

2007 FRA 53 V&B. Originally Imagine.

2007 FRA 09. Water Family.  Originally OC7.

2008 FRA 1000. Groupe Apicil. oirignally Rua Hatu.

2008 FRA 49. Pure.  Originally Ex Synerciel.

2009 FRA 85. PRB.

2010 FRA 109 Initiatives-Coeur.

2011 FRA 30 BP X. Originally MACIF.

2011 GER 21 Offshore Team Germany.  Originally Acciona.

2014 BEL 207 Eyesea.be.  Originally Spirit of Hungary.

2014 FRA 17. Maitre Coq IV. Originally Monaloise2.

2015 MON 10 Malizia II. Originally Gitana16.

2015 USA 11 11th Hour.  Originally Hugo Boss.

2015 FRA 18 Bureau Vallee 2.  Originally BP VIII

2015 FRA 56 Newrest - Art & Fenetres.  Originally No Way Back.

2015 ITA 34. Prysmian Group. Originally Absolute Dreamer 5.

2018 FRA 5 Arkea Paprec

2018 FRA 08 Charal

2019 FRA 59 Advens for Cybersecurity.  Originally TRR.

2019 FRA 79 Apivia

2019 GBR 99 Hugo Boss.

2019 FRA 02 L'Occitane

2020 FRA 06 Corum L'Epargne VG.

2020 JPN 11 DMG Mori.

 

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FWIW...  Here's a list of all of the IMOCA 60's (35 total) on the IMOCA class website, sorted by launch year.  If that's comprehensive of all IMOCA 60's presently in existence, it suggests nearly every existing IMOCA 60 will be doing VG2020.  I haven't checked to see which of these are the few that aren't doing it.

27 of these existed for the 2016 event, where 29 boats raced...  and 20 of them existed for the 2012, where 20 raced...  And 16 of them existed for 2008, where 30 raced...  And only 2 of them existed in 2004 and 2000.  I don't have a list of which IMOCA 60s have been lost/destroyed and what years they were built, so I don't know exactly how large the global fleet was for the start of each VG...  And I don't know if some still exist that aren't listed on the IMOCA class site...  Those two things would explain why more raced than existed from the below list (particularly the 2008 entries)...  But it seems that in addition to a solid number of new boats for every VG...  There is also very high participation, in terms of the number of IMOCA 60's in existence showing up to do the VG.

Or am I misunderstanding the class site?  Are there a lot of IMOCA 60's out there not listed on the class site, such that my perception of a very high participation rate is just because the site only lists the actively racing boats?

1998 FRA 72 4MyPlanet. Originally Le Pingouin.

2000 GBR 77 Pip Hare Ocean Racing.  Originally Superbigou.

2006 FRA 50. Campagne de France. Originally Sarnia.

2006 FRA 83. Fortil.  Originally Giraud'Scope.

2006 FRA 35 Vers Un Monde Sans Sida.  Originally Faroha3.

2007 FRA 71. Group Setin. Originally Trimtastic.

2007 FRA 01. Corum L'Epargne TJV. Originally Foncia.

2007 SUI 07. La Fabrique. Originally Helvetia.

2007 FRA 14. La Mie Caline-Artipole. Originally Diaboleo.

2007 FRA 27 MACSF. Originally Safran.

2007 FIN 222 Ariel 2

2007 FRA 92. Time for Oceans.  Originally Black Sambuca.

2007 FRA 53 V&B. Originally Imagine.

2007 FRA 09. Water Family.  Originally OC7.

2008 FRA 1000. Groupe Apicil. oirignally Rua Hatu.

2008 FRA 49. Pure.  Originally Ex Synerciel.

2009 FRA 85. PRB.

2010 FRA 109 Initiatives-Coeur.

2011 FRA 30 BP X. Originally MACIF.

2011 GER 21 Offshore Team Germany.  Originally Acciona.

2014 BEL 207 Eyesea.be.  Originally Spirit of Hungary.

2014 FRA 17. Maitre Coq IV. Originally Monaloise2.

2015 MON 10 Malizia II. Originally Gitana16.

2015 USA 11 11th Hour.  Originally Hugo Boss.

2015 FRA 18 Bureau Vallee 2.  Originally BP VIII

2015 FRA 56 Newrest - Art & Fenetres.  Originally No Way Back.

2015 ITA 34. Prysmian Group. Originally Absolute Dreamer 5.

2018 FRA 5 Arkea Paprec

2018 FRA 08 Charal

2019 FRA 59 Advens for Cybersecurity.  Originally TRR.

2019 FRA 79 Apivia

2019 GBR 99 Hugo Boss.

2019 FRA 02 L'Occitane

2020 FRA 06 Corum L'Epargne VG.

2020 JPN 11 DMG Mori.
Some boats were lost in 08. The boats of Bernard Stamm, Yann Elies and Jean Le Cam are some I recall. Alex Thomson's boat from that race was also subsequently lost I think in the last Transat. Could be wrong on that. Sam Davies boat was retired after that race due to the cost of bringing it into the revised engine rules. More recently Kito's boat from the last VG was also lost. 

The site below that someone kindly posted a while ago somewhere in one of these threads has a lot and maybe all of the class boat history. 

http://histoiredeshalfs.com/Histoire des 60'/Sommaire.htm

 

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Some boats were lost in 08. The boats of Bernard Stamm, Yann Elies and Jean Le Cam are some I recall. Alex Thomson's boat from that race was also subsequently lost I think in the last Transat. Could be wrong on that. Sam Davies boat was retired after that race due to the cost of bringing it into the revised engine rules. More recently Kito's boat from the last VG was also lost. 

The site below that someone kindly posted a while ago somewhere in one of these threads has a lot and maybe all of the class boat history. 

http://histoiredeshalfs.com/Histoire des 60'/Sommaire.htm
Thanks for the link!  There are clearly a LOT more IMOCA 60's than those listed on the class website.  Obviously I didn't arrive with a solid knowledge of the history of IMOCA 60's, so thanks for sharing the knowledge without crapping on me for my lack thereof.   :)   In retrospect, I guess I was aware some of older boats and posted my findings from the class site without realizing none of those were there.  I guess the class site only lists those that are still carrying valid measurement certificates, or something like that.

Fascinating information.  I have a feeling I'm going to spend a few hours poking through there.  The Historiq tab of the spreadsheet seems to have every boat in history (except maybe the very newest).  I'm not sure if the red numbers and corresponding pink rows imply destroyed boats or just boats with unknown status.  But even without those, it looks like there are roughly 100 IMOCA 60s out there...  many of which are probably very outdated now of course.  The fun part that's going to wind up drawing me in is the details about each boat...  I randomly clicked on Golden Aluminum and was drawn in.

 

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histoiredeshalfs.com also has an exel file ("dossier excel") it contains the race results for all(?) IMOCA

19 destroyed / lost
1 museum
2 cruise
~7 are sailing in other places / IRC

There are ~14 boats on the list that sailed in the 2008 VG or a later IMOCA event which are not registered for the VG 2020.
Restricting this to active in the VG 2016 or later leaves just 3 boats.
1998 GARTMORE - Last raced in Rhum class. I really doubt that the VG wants to a fixed keel boat again.
2000 Kingfisher - just one more time around the globe. :)
2015 Hugo Boss - did the TJV but is aiming for the ocean race

2004 SILL VEOLIA is the one Conrad has charted.

 

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Kojiro is sailing now. Don't know if it's already been posted but he's finally shared pix of him sailing DMG. 

 
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