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Speaking of lack of budgets, whatever happened to, Alessandro?
Vendee Globe 2020
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jb5
Super Anarchist
http://www.alessandrodb.com/fr/
Does not seem very recently updated. Looking for funding like so many including some of those registered.
Good on those who got the euros but still amazed that the top the two in the IMOCA championship are absent.
Schakel
Dayboat sailor
Based on papers, Samatha Davies and Miranda Meron have the best chances,
The winning Armel l'Cleach behind Banque Populair might deliver the fastest boat.
Clarisse Cremer! Although she hasn't the experience the other girls have.
Nicknamed the machine.
Why is she so pale? She is at sea all the time.
mad
Super Anarchist
It does also demonstrate the continued imbalance in sailing in general, though the solo and shorthanded sailing is starting to address this and let women gain more experience.
Bentley the Badger
Member
Absolutely! I couldn't agree more. For Paul and Yann not to have rides is somewhat scary. Yoann is another example - winner of the RDR and the Solitaire. That said many of the top sailors do not have the personality or story telling ability of some of these lower funded teams and for many sponsors having a winning sailor is not the be all and end all. For what it's worth Paul, Yoann and Yann have in the past been fantastic ambassadors for their sponsors - their absence for me is crazy. Perhaps it's just a sign of the times. Sailing in terms of its activation and sponsorship solicitation is still somewhat old school.
Offshore yacht racing remains a sport where friendship with the executive is perhaps more important than proving ROI (which shorthanded offshore has in abundance).
Budgets are spiralling - the Class and the Vendee are in a very interesting position! Foiling is wonderful, technically mind-blowing but hugely costly.
What kills me with sexists is suddenly women competing in VG need to have some CV “justifying their presence” as if there aren’t a bunch of Corinthians or unproven skippers getting the nod ahead of better performers.
Not to name names but explain to me why so many imoca rookie males get new boats with foils while Paul Meilhat or Phil Sharpe have struggled to find sponsors.
but sure criticize the girls.
Not to name names but explain to me why so many imoca rookie males get new boats with foils while Paul Meilhat or Phil Sharpe have struggled to find sponsors.
but sure criticize the girls.
The Magenta project was founded to stop the catch 22 of "we can't take them offshore because they have no experience", e.g. how can you get experience without experience... this is a similar, in order to get results, you have to money, in order to have money you have to have results. If you are the top "non male" competitor, are you less deserving of sponsorship than the second placed male? e.g. This is just the sponsors realising they'll probably get more coverage for their budget out of promoting the top "non male" sailors, and will also improve their performance and the take steps towards equality.
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Bentley the Badger
Member
Miffy, I still find it hard to understand the notion that that someone has to have one hell of a CV. in order to have a new foiler and or decent campaign. Of course they have to have ability but very often the best are so focused on winning they have no ability to tell the story or provide non performance based ROI. I think you forget that at this level this is a business for the majority of teams. Sailing is one part of it yes but it isn't the full package...
Maybe I am blind but I don't see a particularly weak entry.
All 6 have been in the game for a while. Some are pro sailors with long standing business relationships to sponsors. Some are chasing their dream with little money and a whole lot of effort. Just like the male sailors do.
At the end of the day the question is not how good they are but if they can consistently deliver what they sold to their sponsors. And I doubt that it was "Winning the VG2020!" for any of them.
All 6 have been in the game for a while. Some are pro sailors with long standing business relationships to sponsors. Some are chasing their dream with little money and a whole lot of effort. Just like the male sailors do.
At the end of the day the question is not how good they are but if they can consistently deliver what they sold to their sponsors. And I doubt that it was "Winning the VG2020!" for any of them.
Bentley the Badger
Member
Fiji Bitter
I love Fiji Bitter
I hope not!!
I’ll shut up on this matter, as don’t have a strong view anyway. Best of luck to anyone who can get a sponsor into the sport!
jb5
Super Anarchist
Ten months to go.
jb5
Super Anarchist
https://mailchi.mp/tipandshaft.com/tip-shaft-194-yann-elis-avoir-un-jour-avoir-les-moyens-de-mes-ambitions-sur-le-vende-chantiers-imoca-les-grandes-manoeuvres?e=9a497c6fa7
Link above, in French, has updates on several on the VG modifications this winter. Some quotes:
Charal-V2 - therefore carrying VMG - designed, like the first, with VPLP, and new tools, in this case a simulator developed for years by Emirates Team New Zealand
Arkéa Paprec - "We had in any case planned to make a V2 for the summer, what changes is the timing . We are running into a race against the clock because these are parts that take a long time to produce and that the planned program is to do the two deckchairs . " The reasons for the breakage of the first two? "It is still under study, we are awaiting confirmation of what we imagine to start construction definitively"
Alex Thomson , currently busy on the repair of the keel , told us that it was going to "build a second pair of foils before the Vendée Globe"
Malizia - (summary) new foils for the VG and TOR along with bow modifications.
Sam Davies' Imoca with a new mast : "The current one has already made two Vendées, even if the masts are appraised and checked with ultrasound every years, the fatigue of composite materials is not something that we have completely mastered ,
Link above, in French, has updates on several on the VG modifications this winter. Some quotes:
Charal-V2 - therefore carrying VMG - designed, like the first, with VPLP, and new tools, in this case a simulator developed for years by Emirates Team New Zealand
Arkéa Paprec - "We had in any case planned to make a V2 for the summer, what changes is the timing . We are running into a race against the clock because these are parts that take a long time to produce and that the planned program is to do the two deckchairs . " The reasons for the breakage of the first two? "It is still under study, we are awaiting confirmation of what we imagine to start construction definitively"
Alex Thomson , currently busy on the repair of the keel , told us that it was going to "build a second pair of foils before the Vendée Globe"
Malizia - (summary) new foils for the VG and TOR along with bow modifications.
Sam Davies' Imoca with a new mast : "The current one has already made two Vendées, even if the masts are appraised and checked with ultrasound every years, the fatigue of composite materials is not something that we have completely mastered ,
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jb5
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https://www.charal.fr/post-voile/chantier-charal-limportance-de-lergonomie/
Winter update part 2
CHARAL - THE IMPORTANCE OF ERGONOMICS
Edited quotes.
If they are clearly more efficient than the IMOCA the new foilers out of the works in 2018 and 2019 turn out to be more physically demanding, with rather brutal behaviors which hardly spare the skippers. Jérémie Beyou and Christopher Pratt experienced it again on the latest Transat Jacques Vabre, from which they learned a number of lessons in terms of the ergonomics of the cockpit and the living cell inside the boat.
"With speed and semi-steering mode, the boat quickly becomes unlivable," explains Jérémie Beyou. When debriefing the Jacques Vabre, we said to ourselves that if I had been alone, I would quickly have been physically exhausted, just on static positions. Fifteen days in duplicate, it went, but alone for 70-80 days, no. The notion of rhythm is essential on a Vendée Globe: to keep up the pace you want at certain times, it is essential to be well seated to adjust the boat, well stretched out to recover, it is this sum of small details that lets you print the right rhythm. Today, on these boats, the limit becomes more human than technical. "
"One of the project's goals is to put the boat solo configuration and respond to requests specific to Jeremiah. This concerns both the watch position in the cockpit and its position at the chart table. For example, originally there was no seat anywhere, we are studying this solution. "
We had already evolved the cockpit before the Transat Jacques Vabre by protecting it almost entirely under what we have called "the veranda". It turned out that it had some faults, in particular that it was not completely waterproof. So we are doing something more structured and more aesthetic so that it can last throughout the Vendée Globe, ”
We are getting closer to a closed cockpit like on other new boats, but we want to keep the starting spirit, namely that I can continue to see what is going on in front during the maneuvers, in the wind and downwind to set the sails. We therefore adopted a somewhat hybrid solution. At the same time, with Garmin, one of our partners, we are developing camera vision. "Comfort" is not just adding composite or foam right to left. "
Winter update part 2
CHARAL - THE IMPORTANCE OF ERGONOMICS
Edited quotes.
If they are clearly more efficient than the IMOCA the new foilers out of the works in 2018 and 2019 turn out to be more physically demanding, with rather brutal behaviors which hardly spare the skippers. Jérémie Beyou and Christopher Pratt experienced it again on the latest Transat Jacques Vabre, from which they learned a number of lessons in terms of the ergonomics of the cockpit and the living cell inside the boat.
"With speed and semi-steering mode, the boat quickly becomes unlivable," explains Jérémie Beyou. When debriefing the Jacques Vabre, we said to ourselves that if I had been alone, I would quickly have been physically exhausted, just on static positions. Fifteen days in duplicate, it went, but alone for 70-80 days, no. The notion of rhythm is essential on a Vendée Globe: to keep up the pace you want at certain times, it is essential to be well seated to adjust the boat, well stretched out to recover, it is this sum of small details that lets you print the right rhythm. Today, on these boats, the limit becomes more human than technical. "
"One of the project's goals is to put the boat solo configuration and respond to requests specific to Jeremiah. This concerns both the watch position in the cockpit and its position at the chart table. For example, originally there was no seat anywhere, we are studying this solution. "
We had already evolved the cockpit before the Transat Jacques Vabre by protecting it almost entirely under what we have called "the veranda". It turned out that it had some faults, in particular that it was not completely waterproof. So we are doing something more structured and more aesthetic so that it can last throughout the Vendée Globe, ”
We are getting closer to a closed cockpit like on other new boats, but we want to keep the starting spirit, namely that I can continue to see what is going on in front during the maneuvers, in the wind and downwind to set the sails. We therefore adopted a somewhat hybrid solution. At the same time, with Garmin, one of our partners, we are developing camera vision. "Comfort" is not just adding composite or foam right to left. "
