WLIS Jibing
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What are the odds of all eight new boats sustaining significant damage? Pretty incredible. I hope it is not too serious for CD. He has been sailing an amazing race so far.
Vendee Globe 2020
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stief
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And piss off all you lurkers who post just to post an opinion. No shortage of that here.
And Welcome newbies who have content not seen yet. Could use more for sure.
And Welcome newbies who have content not seen yet. Could use more for sure.
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Rafael
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The whole Pacific and whole Atlantic uphill still... w/ a wounded & lame boat, tough task to complete... Adding to the fact that young Dalin has no southern experience, he's never been south of Itajai.
(CORUM, HB, ARKEA, PRB, Initaitives, DNF..., Charal & L'Occitane at the back..., LinkedOut and now Apivia handicapped...)
The Race is more open than ever
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mad
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Unfortunately we'll have to wait and see if that's ever played out, there's no real data or comparison available.
Hmm.. had never noticed this article, a nice presentation :
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tmullen/2020/11/09/the-insanity-and-elegance-of-the-vende-globe-sailing-race/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tmullen/2020/11/09/the-insanity-and-elegance-of-the-vende-globe-sailing-race/
jack_sparrow
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stief
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Chuckle. TBF, glad to see the number of those who registered back in the day coming out. COVID dividend, likely.
PIL66 - XL2
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mad
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It's just starting to get really interesting, and this is why making early predictions in this race is pretty pointless most of the time.
jack_sparrow
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Yes the Cape call being simply one line of longitude is a bit lazy. They could easily have a Cape line taken from the Horn running west of south for timings.
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stief
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Thanks. A bit over the top, but worth it for the Derek Lundy tip. I'd read his Perfect Storm years ago, but looking forward to his Godforsaken Sea: The True Story of a Race Through the World's Most Dangerous Waters
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Rafael
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:lol: :lol: Little beasty Jboy!... In a few days time we'll probably have some more truth (... false protocolary Christmas message included...)
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Hitchhiker
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Wait. What? I'm having trouble keeping up as it is.
So with Apivia clipped now as well, it is going to be very interesting to see the performance drop.
Coconuts.is
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stief
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Thanks for the endorsement. I expect Conrad C writes better. *That's* the VG book I'm waiting for
Interestingly, when discussing the new boats the general consensus seemed to be that l'occitaine was interesting but lacked the work up time to be reliable. If I am right the early issues were with furlers and the like, which arguably was bad luck and could have happened to anyone not really a design or build flaw. The Tripon was forced into a light patch to effect repairs, which seem have been succesful and the boat is good.......... in fact out of all the new boats it's in the best condition, I don't think anyone preidicted that. Imagine if he could slowly reel everyone back in !
He is trying so hard to not be designated as the favorite... this year Neptune hasn't been gentle with the "favorites"...
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despacio avenue
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Before I join Stief with the Spaniards, following in Stief's wake (and he IMO has an indefinite free pass on speculation) I feel a bit of personal housekeeping is in order. First, all my typos. I can only see 2/3 of the screen on my MacBook Pro because the screen is broken and on order via slo mo from Apple. Since my furnace failure, a water pipe froze and burst in the cold temperatures and being close to an outside wall and uninsulated. Plumbers busy and n/a. It was a mess but fixed. Days short, lots of darkness, and we are in lockdown with soaring Covid #s and only 32 Covid beds in the entire State. Trump won't concede, my top two choices (Jeremie and Kevin) to win the VD are no longer in contention, etc. With the foregoing out of the way...
There is nothing wrong with speculation on this thread unless it is personal and harmful, in my opinio, and indeed, much of what is written here is just that: speculation. The only "facts" are what is officially posted by the VD, by posters accessing weather software programs, and usually, the race participants. Even then, it could be bs. Sometimes the sailors themselves ultimately come forward to end speculation such as when Charlie Dalin announced his boat had its mast, keel, etc.
Posters legitimately want transparency, and feel entitled to it for reasons articulated by Jack and others. When that is lacking, it breeds speculation. This forum, and in particular Ocean Racing Anarchy, has gone off the rails on a few occasions when this happened such as in the last VOR when Vestas 11th Hour Racing hit a fishing boat in the waters outside Hong Kong and the boat's captain died. No official information was forthcoming and myriad causes and alleged failed or not used equipment and/or measures that supposedly could have prevented the accident were proposed by ORA. Ditto in the same race when Fish was lost overboard and, again, when Veas 11th Hour Racing was dismasted and sailed into the Falklands to, ultimately, build a new mast. Some of the posts were constructive, many were not.
As with the Vestas/Hong Kong incident, though the circumstances are not at all similar and there was certainly a political component to that situation, there may well be very legitimate, practical and, yes, legal reasons why there has not been more information provided regarding the damage to Boss, though the specter of lawyers salivating in every corner may be exaggerated. We are not all ambulance chasers; most proffer advice or their advice is sought.
That said, there is one thread that is consistent throughout, and that is THAT LITTLE CHAY AND HIS FAMILY ARE EVERYWHERE! Who was enabling and providing assistance through his brother when Vestas11thHR sailed into the Falklands? Little Chay. Whose wife may or may not have had information with regard to Iceburg A68A, which Stief felt compelled to remind us, even though most of us knew, that Herman and others had mentioned above, some weeks ago? Little Chay. Whose sister took a photo of the Boss boat outside what appears to be Cape Town, with a couple of ribs nearby? Little Chay's. Newcomers, pay heed to Little Chay. And to Stief and Hermann.
I need to go apply some "L'Occitane lotion to my wind chapped face after a quick short day on the ski slopes up the road. Today however this thread has left me with two memorable laugh out loud phrases: "Humor bypass" and Boris Hermann's several comments.
pass to
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