bucc5062
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Thanks. YB was looking a little suspect at the moment. Wow, talk about a mess. Nice to see TToP close to the front. Turning into a grueling race
VOR 2017-18
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bucc5062
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What the hell is stealth mode and why would I, as a spectator want it on. What am I missing here, because both trackers seemed to be screwing up at the moment. I would hope this does not carry forward to the actual legs.
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YB tracker is working fine, and Akzo was showing 5 minutes ago.
bucc5062
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Now, but not before. Now as I look...Woo Hoo, go Team Dee! Things will change, but that has to be a good feeling.
bucc5062
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Stealth mode for boat to boat viewing is one thing, but should not be presented to the viewer. I want to see all the boats all the time. If they keep stealth mode such that I, a spectator, cannot see a boat they will lose people.
What are the rules for stealth? How many an do it at the same time? For how long?
As to their tracker, 6 hours? Come on. As a software developer I cannot get any valuable testing done waiting every 6 hours to see an update. Of course if I'm the developer then I'd not wait 6 hours so why the hell should the people who are now able to track on a public website. That makes no sense. Seriosly, if you are going to put out a tracker, have the damn thing mostly debugged and ready for display.
Stealth mode to spectators....who allowed that decision to go through.
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That should get interesting.
The tracker is not accessible to the sailors. Never has been during a VOR leg. It is only for spectators, we know that VOR has at least one internal version with live data. (One of the pitfalls for Genny last round. Doing the interviews looking at live data the teams may not know.)
There was quite a bit discussion about AIS blackouts. Both allowing teams to turn it off for a time and filtering the other VOR boats. Result was that tampering with AIS is not acceptable to VOR, at all.
The way I see it the only way for this to play out is for a team to sneak out of AIS range and then go stealth and not get listed in the next position report(s). Not too relevant I'd say.
Overall tracker updates every 6h for spectators are still a lot of BS just like last time. If you don't want live data because it makes it hard for VOR media tospin write the story the way they need it to be use with a fixed delay like other races do.
The tracker is not accessible to the sailors. Never has been during a VOR leg. It is only for spectators, we know that VOR has at least one internal version with live data. (One of the pitfalls for Genny last round. Doing the interviews looking at live data the teams may not know.)
There was quite a bit discussion about AIS blackouts. Both allowing teams to turn it off for a time and filtering the other VOR boats. Result was that tampering with AIS is not acceptable to VOR, at all.
The way I see it the only way for this to play out is for a team to sneak out of AIS range and then go stealth and not get listed in the next position report(s). Not too relevant I'd say.
Overall tracker updates every 6h for spectators are still a lot of BS just like last time. If you don't want live data because it makes it hard for VOR media to
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Does anyone know what YB tracker is using to show wind direction, it certainly doesn't seem to reflect strength at all? The arrows are pretty much the same for all boats, but Brunel is now moving over 4kn faster than the five leeward boats, and Scallywag is only marginally slower.!! This seems to confirm VOR news that wind would fill from the west. Seems strange that five navigators didn't perceive that with the software they all have??
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I think you've got them mixed up Brunel is leading in the WEST, Mapfre and the other five are to the EAST. Scallywag is currently most Westerly boat. Going back to my previous question, the only explanation I can see right now is that five boats were too interested in positions relative to one another in the group that the navigators got ignored or were asleep!!
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Well, I could be wrong, but I thought that the range of AIS equipment was better than 10nm, depending on height above the water. The transponder/receiver is I believe just above the stern transom, but I also understood that there is an aerial on the mast?
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Okay, the leeward pack is now faster than Brunel, not by a lot and their courses are much the same. As bucc5062 would say, weird!! Current?
DtM
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Talking to yourself RS ?
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No DtM, I've been having a chat with Alinghi4ever, and keeping anyone who is at work and doesn't have the time to check updated on positions. Just to fill in the time until those sworn to secrecy are able to say something about the eighth team, although I guess VOR will ultimately pre-empt that. It's also still a slow news day in Canada.
Plus I also enjoy watching Scallywag eat their dust!!!
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bucc5062
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Amen to that!
While it looks like pressure will fill in from the west, those ahead could slightly reach up as they are below the route line. Brunel has it's own personal patch it looks like for they are stepping out. I don't think the navigators were sleeping. I saw course changes at different times, maybe following their own pressure for a while, but staying more east paid off better. It will interesting to see in the few hours how the lead pack plays the wind change, but it is not that anyone can make big course changes right now.
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Hi bucc, well it's still early days (literally) but right now Charlie and Dee are currently the leading two boats, and everyone, including Scallywag is going to have to climb to get around Cape Finisterre. And Alinghi4ever is right, YB switched to hourly updates.
PS I was only trying to provoke comment writing about the navigators being asleep.
bucc5062
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Yeah, but with OD and such, people question the independence factor. I say it is there, but by the same token, with these boats and crews, you guess wrong you are not coming back from a fall. Scally may claw some time back, but only if some holes open again.
A thought experiment. Take these seven boats, send them off in staggered starts such that they cannot see each other on AIS. Note the time of start, time of finish and let's see if anyone takes large different routes. My guess is no. Those east needs to start collecting back to Brunel, but so far we've had multiple lead changes so I'd say that even for "slow" boats, this is quite exciting.
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Hell, bucc, I've been a strong supporter of OD since I raced J24s in Long Island Sound almost 40 yrs ago, and once came second to a well known head of a sail loft. Fluke, but I sure felt good. Handicap racing, which I was forced to take up because the builder of my supposed future OD class went bankrupt, never really appealed.
Sometimes, beginning to be too many times now, this VOR is starting to be as exciting as watching grass grow or paint dry, although I'm reluctant to give it up because I like to see skill in action, question is whose skill?? Computers??
bucc5062
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Yes, and I wonder if Dongfeng and Mapfre will be joined at the hip the whole race 
it is soon going to be time to shut the door on Scallywag. They will gain some ground on that westerly build and it looks like angling towards Brunel and the line sets the rest to also get that building breeze.
it is soon going to be time to shut the door on Scallywag. They will gain some ground on that westerly build and it looks like angling towards Brunel and the line sets the rest to also get that building breeze.
bucc5062
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That is a third rail question for me these days....I'll punt.
Naaaa....Anecdotally, computers are taking over the sport as a whole. Even as I love technology, I am no fan of a race won by design before a team even takes the water. It seems if you race a box class, no handicap, then the choices made almost before the crew steps on board determine the race. If you race a OD then the boat design plays less a factor to the crew, but folks complain that it becomes "boring" as they sail in a pack. Unlike boring as they sail in a string along fairly well set routes.
The next issue is the routing software used and how much that, not AIS determines the Macro navigation. Sure, I'll conceded that AIS will effect local decisions, but as this is one design, making a choice to go off on some hidden weather system is vastly unlikely as every other team see the same thing. I've said before, take away software routing, period. Route based on only weather reports. Now you can take flyers, go with your gut. With this format, 100 miles, excluding the doldrums, is a death knell to passing unless you really fuck up the boat.
It is what it is....some like it...others don't. In the moment I'm happy to see three teams I support doing well.
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