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TheDragon

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Our local hospital system announced today that they were down to 41 patients, 8 in ICU. Of those just one had been vaccinated (and no specification if that person had one or two shots and how recently, so could be recently had first dose, hence little effectiveness). Given our county now has close to 50% with at least one dose and 40% with two, that means that essentially the only people still getting sick, and sometimes dying, from covid are the covidiots.

 

Kate short for Bob

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Our local hospital system announced today that they were down to 41 patients, 8 in ICU. Of those just one had been vaccinated (and no specification if that person had one or two shots and how recently, so could be recently had first dose, hence little effectiveness). Given our county now has close to 50% with at least one dose and 40% with two, that means that essentially the only people still getting sick, and sometimes dying, from covid are the covidiots.
Hypocrite.  The promotion of second dose deferment.  Perhaps those in hospital followed you advice and deferred the second dose.

 

Kate short for Bob

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Whining about every little things again. You really believe that the only protocol they had time to test for time between doses is the right one?
"Little things"!  @TheDragon promoted ad nauseum the deferment of the second dose.  Now HE is whining about the lack of progress in vaccination.  Even suggesting that someone may have died because they hadn't had the second dose yet!

 
And, what make you think the deferment is not the right thing to do? The masive amount of data on various delay between doses before the vaccine rollout?

You are so funny...

 
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Kate short for Bob

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And, what make you think the deferment is not the right thing to do? The masive amount of data on various delay between doses before the vaccine rollout?

You are so funny...
Deferment was never the right thing to do for many reasons.  Those that were promoting deferment of the second dose well beyond the manufacturers recommendations should hang their head in shame.

Reasons:

It promoted a narrative that inferred that one dose was OK when in fact it didn't offer high levels of immunity.  It helped to increase the number of those hesitant to take the vaccine.  It created a pool of people that believed they had protection who lowered their guard and by doing so provided human incubators for the development of new strains potentially resistant to the vaccines.

I wonder sometimes if @TheDragon has Moderna and or Pzifer shares.

 

Rain Man

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One thing is for sure - everything that any country or leader did using the advice of scientists to try to mitigate the pandemic was wrong, according to KSFB.  Why do we bother training all those scientists anyway, when we could just get our advice from him?

 

Kate short for Bob

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One thing is for sure - everything that any country or leader did using the advice of scientists to try to mitigate the pandemic was wrong, according to KSFB.  Why do we bother training all those scientists anyway, when we could just get our advice from him?
Which scientists?  The actions taken by Governments are not backed by science nor validated by science.  How many times has Fauci flip flopped?

How many Governments followed the advice of WHO backed by decades of scientific evidence based research?

You malign out of hand science that doesn't back your politicised narrative.  Often quoting as science flawed analysis done by journalists.

Did any of the pandemic modelling predicted Armageddon actually happen?  No it didn't becaused it was flawed science not backed by evidence based research.

Can you cite any research done BEFORE the pandemic that said masks are effective?  You'll have to look very hard to find any hence the pre-Covid pandemic planning and the recommendations did not include universal mask usage.

Decisions have been made not based on evidence based research but solely for the reason that action needed to be seen to be taken I.e. political reasons.  There has been scurrying well into the pandemic to try and prove that the actions taken were effective.  The evidence produced to date on many interventions is inconclusive and certainly doesn't overturn the research done prior to this pandemic

Take for instance the treatment of school children by some countries and states.  The research and accepted strategy before Covid was to allow children to keep attending school if they were at low risk of illness.  It was established from the beginning that school age children were not susceptible to serious illness therefore closing schools would do considerably more harm than allowing the children to keep attending.  The decisions to close schools had no valid scientific reason.

 

BlatantEcho

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One thing is for sure - everything that any country or leader did using the advice of scientists to try to mitigate the pandemic was wrong, according to KSFB.  Why do we bother training all those scientists anyway, when we could just get our advice from him?
There is little argument that most of the corporate and government funded scientists, were horribly wrong.

From the initial models (the Imperial Model being the most laughable, but also what kicked off the PANIC)
To Fauci.
To all the government politicians who panicked.

Tons and tons of scientist, some of the smartest in the world, from Public Health Experts, Virologists, Epidemiologists - disagreed with the Panic / Lockdown response.
From the most elite universities, to inside the WHO. From every country.

Those voices were silenced, so politicians and their panic, could be sold.
And it worked.

But, in time, as the data became clear, people are realizing corporate media, corporate scientists and ignorant politicians - turned a pandemic, into a disaster.
 

 

Rain Man

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Tons and tons of scientist, some of the smartest in the world, from Public Health Experts, Virologists, Epidemiologists - disagreed with the Panic / Lockdown response.
 
How many of those still disagree with it?  Lockdown in its various forms has proven over time to be the only effective means, save vaccination, of controlling the spread of the virus once the spread becomes exponential.  The trigger for lockdowns here in Canada has been mathematical modelling foreshadowing that ICU capacity will be reached or exceeded.   Front-line medical workers, the doctors and nurses who are actually dealing with the patients, have been the loudest voices in support of lockdowns wherever they have occurred.

This is still the fundamental flaw in your argument.  Without the lockdowns, we'd be having to go around to neighborhoods to collect bodies.  It is hard to believe you are still in favour of that.  

The new variants are also killing younger people at a higher rate than the original strain of the virus.  I guess their lives were not worth saving, after all, they were going to die anyway, right?  

Your arguments are deeply flawed, and have been all along.   If your suggested approach had been adopted, many more people would have died unnecessarily everywhere in the world.  Look at India, which more or less took your approach.  They are indeed collecting bodies in the streets: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-india-cremations/

 
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Lockdown is the only way to keep poeple away from each other and reduce transmission. Human behavior is hard to change.

Rain Man, you say that we would have to go around to pickup dead body. It actually happend in Montreal that poeple were feeling tiried and went to bed. Young poeple. They were tired because their lungs were shuting down. They were found dead few hours later.

In India, they are also collection floating bodies in rivers.

Your right Dragon, they are "Live-and-let-die" kind of poeple.

 

Kate short for Bob

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Rain Man, you are forgetting that Kate and BE don't care if older people die, since they are useless to society and are going to die soon anyway.
Where have I said that?  You have trouble being consistent about your own beliefs let alone trying to pretend to know mine.

 

Kate short for Bob

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Rain Man, you say that we would have to go around to pickup dead body. It actually happend in Montreal that poeple were feeling tiried and went to bed. Young poeple. They were tired because their lungs were shuting down. They were found dead few hours later.
Reference or have you just made this up?

 

Al Paca

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Which scientists?  The actions taken by Governments are not backed by science nor validated by science.  How many times has Fauci flip flopped?

How many Governments followed the advice of WHO backed by decades of scientific evidence based research?

You malign out of hand science that doesn't back your politicised narrative.  Often quoting as science flawed analysis done by journalists.

Did any of the pandemic modelling predicted Armageddon actually happen?  No it didn't becaused it was flawed science not backed by evidence based research.

Can you cite any research done BEFORE the pandemic that said masks are effective?  You'll have to look very hard to find any hence the pre-Covid pandemic planning and the recommendations did not include universal mask usage.

Decisions have been made not based on evidence based research but solely for the reason that action needed to be seen to be taken I.e. political reasons.  There has been scurrying well into the pandemic to try and prove that the actions taken were effective.  The evidence produced to date on many interventions is inconclusive and certainly doesn't overturn the research done prior to this pandemic

Take for instance the treatment of school children by some countries and states.  The research and accepted strategy before Covid was to allow children to keep attending school if they were at low risk of illness.  It was established from the beginning that school age children were not susceptible to serious illness therefore closing schools would do considerably more harm than allowing the children to keep attending.  The decisions to close schools had no valid scientific reason.
Yawnnnnnnnnnn 

 

Kate short for Bob

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Lockdown in its various forms has proven over time to be the only effective means, save vaccination, of controlling the spread of the virus once the spread becomes exponential.
What proof?  Cite a research paper that conclusively proves that they made a difference.  Although you might have to define what you mean by "Lockdown" first.

The trigger for lockdowns here in Canada has been mathematical modelling foreshadowing that ICU capacity will be reached or exceeded
List one mathematical model that has been accurate in its predictions.

Without the lockdowns, we'd be having to go around to neighborhoods to collect bodies.
Alarmist supposition with zero evidence to support the claim.  Are you a journalist?

The new variants are also killing younger people at a higher rate than the original strain of the virus. 
That is not correct.  You really need to dig deeper beyond your reliance on mainstream media and look into the science.

Look at India, which more or less took your approach.  They are indeed collecting bodies in the streets: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-india-cremations/
27,000 people die on average in India a day.  If bodies are lying in the streets more so than normal it might be because the people that do the work for a few rupees are locked down.

 

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