Weta anarchy

Pete Pollard

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Camped at Big Pine Key Fishing Lodge. Sailed out to Looe Key but it was too windy and rough to snorkel so I sailed back in and then East along the the southern shore of Big Pine Key, continuing East to Bahia Honda State Park.

The wind basically blew me out on Tuesday and Wednesday (Monday was a travel day) but I sailed continuously for about eight hours on Thursday! I really enjoyed it! The Keys are a special place.

Really upset with Garmin, they've "improved" their site so nothing works like it used to. Got lots of video but my camera handling is so bad it will require lots of editing.

http://www.bpkfl.com/ Stayed in a tent! I'm well past 2:00 a.m. strolls to the crapper! Key deer are common, almost tame. Lots of birds. We weren't even fifty feet from the water, lots of Lady fish and small tarpon thrashing the bait fish in the shallows then the egrets would attack from the land side. Big iguana in a mangrove right at the corner of the tent. Curt's skiff was in a slip a dozen feet from the tent. Easy launching for the Weta. Not many bugs. Too much wind for the first three days! Gusts to 24 mph.

A few pictures here https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=832355050149022&set=a.306384962746036.94342.100001236032720&type=1&theater

 
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Pete Pollard

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I suspect a Weta is not the best platform to snorkel from but I'm not quite ready to give up. I'll give it another shot or two. If, after you've seen this video, anyone wants to schedule a trip give me a ping and I'll do a little more research.

I think an annual Weta snorkeling trip to Looe key is a splendid idea!


 
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cfarrah

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Fantastic video! Go NZ!

Wait - that's only with respect to the video, has nothing to do with the America's Cup!

Fun to watch.

Best,

C

 
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Darryn

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We've had a bit of discussion about handicaps for the Weta and it's been hard to pin down a race result but in Catsailor.net forum Paul White has slammed the cats and praised up the Wetas in numerous cat threads. He has again mentioned the 2011 Double Damned race as a good race for the Weta even though it's a mono hull race. He's quoted this as having lots of wind, with a link to the video so you would assume this is about as fast as you can go on a Weta. I see the Weta was second over the line behind the Moore 24. My query is can we use this 9.4kt average speed as an indication that it's only half a knot slower than a Moore 24ft trailer sailer built nearly 30 years ago that averaged 9.9kts, if so what would a fair handicap rating be. I am trying to track down the results for the Peter Loft memorial race Paul mentioned, to see how the Wetas went in that race against some cats that he mentioned passing so we can gauge performance. I look forward to some enlightening discussions regarding issues he has posted in the cat threads about cats v's Wetas in the correct Weta threads and must thank Paul for reigniting my interest in Weta's. Can you post some other results regarding Wetas sailing with cats? Or is the Weta mainly purchased by people that don't want to sail with any other type of boat.

regards Jeff Southall

Double Damned 2011 Double Damned 2011 - 8/6/11 at 1000

Start: Start 1, Finishes: Finish time, Time: 10:00:15, Distance: 41

Rank Boat Name Boat Type SailNo Club Skipper PHRF Elapsed BCE Ave speed 1 Bruzer Moore 24 127 HRYC Morgan Larson 150 4:06:49 0:00:00 9.967 kn 2 Moore Cowbell Moore 24 124 CYC Katherine Meyer 150 4:22:14 0:15:25 9.381 kn 3 Adios Moore 24 56 SCYC Scott Walecka 150 4:22:51 0:16:02 9.359 kn 4 Wet Spot Moore 24 51 StFYC John Verdoia 150 4:25:05 0:18:16 9.28 kn 5 Nuclear Power Moore 24 122 LYRA Matt McQueen 150 4:29:56 0:23:07 9.113 kn 6 Moorigami Moore 24 77 StFYC John Siegel 150 4:31:46 0:24:57 9.052 kn 7 Morjito Moore 24 111 HRYC Doug Archbald 150 4:34:53 0:28:04 8.949 kn 8 More Uff Da Moore 24 26 PMYC Ben Braden 150 4:35:50 0:29:01 8.918 kn 9 Pteron Melges 24 PMYC Dan Kaseler 84 4:00:38 0:38:55 10.223 kn 10 Flying Tiger Moore 24 155 RYC Kurt Lahr 150 4:46:45 0:39:56 8.579 kn 11 Super Friends B25 31 HRYC Tyler Bech 126 4:32:32 0:42:07 9.026 kn 12 Monster Express Express 27 40316 HRYC Ted Lohr 129 4:35:51 0:43:23 8.918 kn 13 Electric Mayhem Moore 24 145 HRYC Brian Petros 150 5:13:38 1:06:49 7.844 kn 14 Strega C&C 25 HRYC Arpaq Family 215 6:13:25 1:22:11 6.588 kn 15 Giant Slayer SC 27 59369 TTPYC David Garman 141 5:29:01 1:28:21 7.477 kn 16 Kitchen Remodel Express 27 18353 HRYC Bill Sumerfield 129 5:26:31 1:34:03 7.534 kn 17 Crazy Lulu Choate 22 HRYC Bart Vervlouet 205 6:24:11 1:39:47 6.403 kn 18 Symbiosis S2 9.1 50491 HRYC Lance Staughton 129 5:45:52 1:53:24 7.113 kn 19 Weta Weta Tri 571 RYC David Berntsen 4:21:17 1:56:58 9.415 kn 20 Jack Wabbit 19 RYC William Erkelens 126 DNF 20 Subatomic Rocket 22 2210 HRYC Chris Lloyd 111 DNF 20 Diversion J 35 69773 HRYC Mark Newbrook 72 DNF 20 Gorgeous Nelson Merrek 44 HRYC Jim Case 72 DNF
Is there any forum on the planet that you haven't posted this info Jeff?

cheers,

Darryn

 
No and I have found it much better to carry the discussion into the Weta forums instead of having unseemly discussions in the cat threads, Paul White has made lots of comments about catamarans and I would like to explore them in the Weta forum, I look forward to some lively discussions over the next few years as we hammer out the pros and cons of Wetas in the appropriate threads

 

vaplaya

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HI guys,

In my experience, I was totally smoked by a single handed H16 on my Weta on a windy day.

I know that people compare the Weta with the H16, however as much as I love the Weta, I do not believe we are even close to a well sailed H16 in most points of sail.

Cheers!

 

Pete Pollard

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Nor I! Worse I'm afraid we'll stumble into another shit storm with such comparisons. The weta is a very nice niche boat, as such it fulfills a variety of needs and desires. High performance ain't one of them!

I've overnighted on the Weta, something I never did with any of my cats, and plan some longer excursion type events.

Imo the weta's strong points are:

  • ease of operation, particularly rigging and recovery
  • stability
  • affordable price
  • good all round performance
  • good load carrying capacity for the single hander
  • very small foot print for storing and traveling.
 
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Pete Pollard

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HI guys,

In my experience, I was totally smoked by a single handed H16 on my Weta on a windy day.

I know that people compare the Weta with the H16, however as much as I love the Weta, I do not believe we are even close to a well sailed H16 in most points of sail.

Cheers!
Dude, welcome aboard.

I will not extend the traditional greeting, which is: "fuck off and show me your wife's tits." But rest assured some one will so be prepared.

 
I was rigging my boat to go sailing yesterday (don't you hate the Florida sailors this time of year?!)...and noticed a 2" split in the top of the lower section of my mast, where it sleeves to the top section. No real big deal, but could have become one. I scuffed it up and collared it with a couple of layers of carbon DB, and it's good as new this morning. Just thought I'd mention it, so others could give their masts a look...

 

Tom Kirkman

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HI guys,

In my experience, I was totally smoked by a single handed H16 on my Weta on a windy day.

I know that people compare the Weta with the H16, however as much as I love the Weta, I do not believe we are even close to a well sailed H16 in most points of sail.

Cheers!
You'd be correct for the most part. The following video was shot on Friday in some pretty strong winds/gusts. The H16 was being sailed 2-up and my Weta with just me. I know the guys on the H16 and you can figure their total "payload" at about 400 pounds and mine at 175 pounds.

We spent most of the day on beam reaches, often heading towards each other, but often sailing single file behind each other. When single file, I could not catch them and had to work hard and get lucky in the gusts to stay close without losing much ground. When I was in front, they weren't able to catch me in a single 1/2 mile reach, but they did close a bit and if we had had longer runs they would have gotten past me at some point no matter what I did. So even 2-up the H16 is a little faster than a 1-up Weta, at least on a beam reach.


 

cfarrah

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Tom, try running a longer thinner bunji along the hull, over the ama but under the tramp... if you play with the length a bit, you'll find that you can keep it out of the water without it fouling. Could fasten a batten to extend beyond the rear of the tramp if it falls in.

Looks like a great day!

 

cfarrah

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Nor I! Worse I'm afraid we'll stumble into another shit storm with such comparisons. The weta is a very nice niche boat, as such it fulfills a variety of needs and desires. High performance ain't one of them!

I've overnighted on the Weta, something I never did with any of my cats, and plan some longer excursion type events.

Imo the weta's strong points are:

  • ease of operation, particularly rigging and recovery
  • stability
  • affordable price
  • good all round performance
  • good load carrying capacity for the single hander
  • very small foot print for storing and traveling.
Opinions on high performance vary Pete :D

It really depends on what you are comparing it to amigo...

 
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