What brands from the 70s/80s would you resurrect?

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They shorter and shapelier er fatter. Edging became the thing and required new techniques - ...  "sperms on skis".  Still makes me laugh. 
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Snowboards were around in the 60's - after a fashion - but they were about the equivalent of the early "skateboards" that were roller skates nailed to a board.
Wasn’t the first snowboard the button one with the rope leash? That would have been around ‘79-81, I think...?

 

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Short skis came around when the moguls got closer and steeper caused by snowboarders.
Moguls got fucked-up and squared off and oblique from boarders - not closer together - because boarders scraped sideways through them, instead of making flowing, linked, round turns.

 

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Wasn’t the first snowboard the button one with the rope leash? That would have been around ‘79-81, I think...?
You’re thinking of a Snurfer. They were around even earlier, and had a bit of a cult following. Used to have actual championships. One year, a guy named Jake Carpenter was competing and though, “I can make a better one of these things.”   

Jake’s middle name is Burton.

 

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Actually, the transformation came before that.

Short skis changed things.

Back in the 60's I skied on 210 Cm skis. :D Weren't gonna be doing any backflips on those suckers. The rule was you reached straight up and your wrist was how long the skis should be.

Someone had the idea of teaching beginners on short skis with the intent of them transitioning to long skis once they knew how to ski - but they never did and skis stayed short. There was a slogan or bumper sticker in Tahoe for the older skiers - "Short Skis Suck, Long Skis Truck".

Then the stunting got going and then boards came along.
Sloop,

    I had skied a few time while in high school in San Diego in the early 70's. More of a surfer I did want to try a snowboard surfer style stance and eventually made a sort of adapter for standard bindings that let me use both feet and binders on top of the adapter/riser in a slightly staggered manner and then that snapped into an old 215 cm downhill ski sort of like Mike Doyle and his MonoSki. The riser kept you from digging in the edges of you boots but it was like putting a brick on top of a skateboard and then standing on top of it and trying to skate! I was not skilled enough to make it work although when I got into college and Army brat buddy whose Dad had been stationed in Germany could make it look pretty good. That kid had gotten to ski all over Europe during his Dad's deployment and I sometimes wished I could have traded my HS days in San Diego for Garmisch. 

   Wish I could get the text to this article but Surfer Mag want MONEY to download it!

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   This was RAD! 

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You’re thinking of a Snurfer. They were around even earlier, and had a bit of a cult following. Used to have actual championships. One year, a guy named Jake Carpenter was competing and though, “I can make a better one of these things.”   

Jake’s middle name is Burton.
Yeah that’s what I’d meant. “Button” was a typo for Burton. I remember following the whole rise of the snowboard thing when it just started getting coverage. I think the first time I’d seen it was in a Warren Miller flick. That was likely a Snurfer.

Warren Miller is another brand Id love to still have around. Back in the day, we waited all year for his new release to come around, so we could see all the cools things in magazines brought to life on screen. And, it was always a sold out show. Must have been like people waiting for the newsreels during the war - waiting months and having to line up to see the news...

 

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Speaking of Warren Miller, anyone remember those monoski death traps from Europe that he featured for a few season? Both feet locked in, facing forward with a whole bunch of disco hip wiggling to turn? Seems like they were trying to make them take off over here.

I remember a guy had one at Panorama and he always seemed like he was running from the bulls in Pamplona - scared shitless, wildly out of control and a 50/50 chance he was going to make it without being maimed...

 
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Speaking of Warren Miller, anyone remember those monoski death traps from Europe that he featured for a few season? Both feet locked in, facing forward with a whole bunch of disco hip wiggling to turn? Seems like they were trying to make them take off over here.

I remember a guy had one at Panorama and he always seemed like he was running from the bulls in Pamplona - scared shitless, Wiley out of control and a 50/50 chance he was going to make it without being maimed...
Yeah, that is the sort of rig I came up with but with the feet staggered slightly to cut down on width. But we used an old 215 downhill ski under my adapter which took a lot of hip wiggling to horse that big heavy narrow ski around with.  I was always scared shitless on it but my much more experienced buddy could handle it pretty well. 

 

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Yeah, that is the sort of rig I came up with but with the feet staggered slightly to cut down on width. But we used an old 215 downhill ski under my adapter which took a lot of hip wiggling to horse that big heavy narrow ski around with.  I was always scared shitless on it but my much more experienced buddy could handle it pretty well. 
OMG! That’s a big, big rig! What a set-up. I wouldn’t have had the stones to try that.

i was working at a ski shop around that time and got friendly with one of the ski reps, who sold me a pair of demo Fischer 223 RC4’s downhill racing skiis (the ones with the tips cut out) he had for pennies because no one else would take them. Only used them a few times. Had to get them up to Mach-whatever to get them turn...

 
I remember back in the early 70's a wide ski-like board that had a rope and some metal staples pounded in where your feet go. 
Snurfer

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Then Burton took the idea and came up with a board that had edges and a p-tex bottom that took wax.   Boom - snowboarding is born.

Over Christmas was in North Carolina and ended up on the property that I use to ski on 39 years ago when I went to high school nearby.   Looks a lot smaller than I remember!  I did high school slalom racing and had 195-200cm K2s with Salomon 727 bindings.   Wonderful memories, kept me sane being sailboatless in Western NC until I returned home in FL.

- Stumbling

 
Surgical tubing also worked well. Tie a knot in the back to make ‘em tight.  Croakies took awhile to get up here. Everything was always a few seasons/years delayed in making it to Canadian shelves in those days.

I used to have to save up my allowance money to buy mailorder from skate & surf shops in CA just to get anything current; Waited 6-8 weeks for mailing both ways, plus forever to clear customs. Got my new Sims Lonnie Toft board from Skates on Haight from an ad in the back of Skateboarder and was the coolest kid in middle school for a minute...
Chums keepers were also that era.   Those are still available.

- Stumbling

 

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Snurfer

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Then Burton took the idea and came up with a board that had edges and a p-tex bottom that took wax.   Boom - snowboarding is born.

Over Christmas was in North Carolina and ended up on the property that I use to ski on 39 years ago when I went to high school nearby.   Looks a lot smaller than I remember!  I did high school slalom racing and had 195-200cm K2s with Salomon 727 bindings.   Wonderful memories, kept me sane being sailboatless in Western NC until I returned home in FL.

- Stumbling
This is a great opportunity to bring this thread full circle back to where it started concerning 70s and 80 boat designs. Many sailors in West Michigan already know this, but here goes for everyone else who hasn't already heard the story:

The inventor of the Snurfer (shown in the photo above) was a sailor and raced a very popular 70's boat brand!

The prototype that became the Snurfer was originally invented by a lifelong sailor by the name of Sherman Poppen, a long-time member of the Muskegon Yacht Club in Muskegon Michigan, (located about half way up the eastern shore of Lake Michigan).  You can easily Google the full history of how Sherman's prototype became the Snurfer and how that eventually transitioned to the Burton culture most folks know today.

Here's the fun 80's era boat brand link: for many many years, Sherman Poppen owned and actively raced an S2 7.9 meter (a design already mentioned many times in this thread). Sherm's boat was appropriately named "Helza" as in "Hell's-a-Poppin!"

Sherm and I shared a finger dock for many years at the Muskegon Yacht Club. His S2 7.9 meter on one side, my S2 9.1 meter on the other. He was a great sailor, great lover of winter sports, and an all around really spectacular guy. His family's long-time, generous support for Hospice in our little part of the world has been a fine and humble example to many others who continue to support a thriving, annual Hospice Regatta in Muskegon to this day.

As for "photos or it didn't happen", unfortunately all the photos I'd love to share of Sherm's 80's era S2 7.9 are from long before the world went digital. Maybe someone from the West Michigan crowd has an old photo of Helza that they could easily share?

 

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Snurfer

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Then Burton took the idea and came up with a board that had edges and a p-tex bottom that took wax.   Boom - snowboarding is born.

Over Christmas was in North Carolina and ended up on the property that I use to ski on 39 years ago when I went to high school nearby.   Looks a lot smaller than I remember!  I did high school slalom racing and had 195-200cm K2s with Salomon 727 bindings.   Wonderful memories, kept me sane being sailboatless in Western NC until I returned home in FL.

- Stumbling
That's it. Good find.

 
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