What brands from the 70s/80s would you resurrect?
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MauiPunter
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I have some massive electric Barients on my boat too.
(not my kids, friends of the family)
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Rain Man
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The rudder is a NACA 0013 with the aft end narrowing to the trailing edge about 4" short of where it should be. I suspect it was 0013 instead of a standard 0012 to allow a bigger shaft and higher angles of attack without stalling. To make it balance they shortened it in the fore and aft direction, deviating from the proper foil shape in the process. No surprise that flow separates in an unfriendly manner. I learned not to fight it past a couple of quick pumps, just let it round up, get the flow re-attached and try again. While most have retrofit, the rating penalty was significant. Make a few too many mods and you have a turbo Dash rating 68 no matter if the boat actually sails to it.
Mine is #10.
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Irish River
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Legit, good Columbian blo. Not this fentanyl crap that's floating around.
sledracr
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<lol> and pre-AIDS racer-chasers....
VWAP
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Go easy on him. He is a sad case.Plausible said:
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The 7.9 was my first thought.
Can't think of much I would change. Wanted to get a new boat for some time. Keep coming back back to why? It's the purfect boat for us.
Choate's
Aluminum Frers' 50
Bloopers
Having two crewmembers, when tacking, next to the new leeward shroud, grabbing the clew of the #1, running with it, almost falling on the deck block, and seeing the smile of the grinders who would NOT have to cough up their lungs grinding those huge, heavy motherfuckers.
Aluminum Frers' 50
Bloopers
Having two crewmembers, when tacking, next to the new leeward shroud, grabbing the clew of the #1, running with it, almost falling on the deck block, and seeing the smile of the grinders who would NOT have to cough up their lungs grinding those huge, heavy motherfuckers.
Loose Cannon
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Got my charter writ on one of those, it was like sailing a bus. Probably could have parked it on a reef, floated off at high tide and kept on going.
yes, there were a lot of early fiberglass boats that were heavy but unbreakable.
J28
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Oliver You are a full-on asshole with your statement about not needing a reason to hate Republicans.
Q: What gets ruined when politics are brought into a discussion?
A: Everything
So take your political views and shove 'em up you ass.
AJ Oliver
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Hey J28 -
Yeah, FOX learned ya that the meltdown was all Barney Frank's fault, right?
Go straight to hades, you Reichista punk.
Yeah, FOX learned ya that the meltdown was all Barney Frank's fault, right?
Go straight to hades, you Reichista punk.
barleymalt
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SloopJonB
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We're still waiting to hear about your boat.
Or does it exist in the same world as your sex life?
Bull City
A fine fellow
SloopJonB
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Erich Bruckmann died 7 or 8 years ago - no bringing that place back.
Bull City
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Has C.E. Ryder been mentioned? Makers of Eastward Ho 24 & 31, Sea Sprites, Southern Cross.
Vinyard Vixens
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Great Red Shark
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Gotta love the ability of some to see EVERYTHING through a distorted partisan lens. Take a moment to consider what you are about to spout in response, and then Just Fucking Don't, eh ?
Tax implications notwithstanding - and they surely didn't do any "luxury" manufacturers any favors, the FACT remains that boat registrations in the US peaked in 1981.
I think the decline of the sailing scene and the downfall of the makers is/was as much demographic as fiscal - and the monetary ramifications of rising costs of labor, real estate and petrochemicals are hard to rightly blame on any one party.
In Spurr's book he takes considerable lengths to explain how NOBODY can simply "pop out" a boat. A hull, yeah - sure but the completion of a boat is a much more complex/costly operation that is/was frequently insufficiently appreciated, by both makers and buyers. Combine THAT with the matter that the "mass market" (everything gets compared to the Auto makers) really just doesn't exist and you have business models that lose money on every boat, and try to make it up with volume that isn't there. This is a poor financial plan. I have a business degree, trust me on that.
The market just isn't that big. Not car big, not even motorcycle big. Face it boys, there are more people in the US that identify as bird-watchers than sailors.
Boat brands I like to see making an amazing re-appearance: Express 27s and Moore 24s - and don't change a damn thing.
You can bring back the Hotfoot 27 if you must, but it really could use some updates - and what WOULD any of them really cost/sell for now ?
Much as I would love to see a modern production of my beloved Sonoma 30, I have to think a new one would be $ 60 grand, for the barest of boats, with no trailer, pushing $100 nicely finished - right in the range of the Seascape27/FarEast28 - which are about as big, heavy & complex as the 1981 Sonoma (which were made in Petaluma, - marketing...). I'm shocked.
Tax implications notwithstanding - and they surely didn't do any "luxury" manufacturers any favors, the FACT remains that boat registrations in the US peaked in 1981.
I think the decline of the sailing scene and the downfall of the makers is/was as much demographic as fiscal - and the monetary ramifications of rising costs of labor, real estate and petrochemicals are hard to rightly blame on any one party.
In Spurr's book he takes considerable lengths to explain how NOBODY can simply "pop out" a boat. A hull, yeah - sure but the completion of a boat is a much more complex/costly operation that is/was frequently insufficiently appreciated, by both makers and buyers. Combine THAT with the matter that the "mass market" (everything gets compared to the Auto makers) really just doesn't exist and you have business models that lose money on every boat, and try to make it up with volume that isn't there. This is a poor financial plan. I have a business degree, trust me on that.
The market just isn't that big. Not car big, not even motorcycle big. Face it boys, there are more people in the US that identify as bird-watchers than sailors.
Boat brands I like to see making an amazing re-appearance: Express 27s and Moore 24s - and don't change a damn thing.
You can bring back the Hotfoot 27 if you must, but it really could use some updates - and what WOULD any of them really cost/sell for now ?
Much as I would love to see a modern production of my beloved Sonoma 30, I have to think a new one would be $ 60 grand, for the barest of boats, with no trailer, pushing $100 nicely finished - right in the range of the Seascape27/FarEast28 - which are about as big, heavy & complex as the 1981 Sonoma (which were made in Petaluma, - marketing...). I'm shocked.
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some dude
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Exactly. You could order a brand new Moore 24 today(and God bless anyone who does) but it will cost about 4x what a well sorted race ready one will cost you. Fiberglass lasts forever and that's both good and bad news. People talk about resurrecting Ericson, but a perfectly good Ericson 35 will run you maybe $25K. Want one? Go buy one. But to crank the factory back up? Your price point will be a bit higher.
Great Red Shark
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As for the viability of any of this, may we please recall the re-introduction efforts of the Tartan10 and Hobie33 - both with strong constituencies, one might think.
Perhaps 'Cruisy-er' is the answer - since performance sailors will always naturally want newer designs.
I always thought the Sabre 30 represented a heck of a lot of boat for the money - they sail just fine, too - and here we address another point made in the pages of 'Heart of Glass', which is that you end up competing with all of your own old boats on the used market because fiberglass boats just don't seem to wear out.
Just go look at what you can buy a nicer mid-80s Sabre 30 for on the used market and then ask what it would cost to make one in the town you live in today, nevermind the equipment.
Edit: I swear, Some dude and I hit SAVE at the same moment !
Perhaps 'Cruisy-er' is the answer - since performance sailors will always naturally want newer designs.
I always thought the Sabre 30 represented a heck of a lot of boat for the money - they sail just fine, too - and here we address another point made in the pages of 'Heart of Glass', which is that you end up competing with all of your own old boats on the used market because fiberglass boats just don't seem to wear out.
Just go look at what you can buy a nicer mid-80s Sabre 30 for on the used market and then ask what it would cost to make one in the town you live in today, nevermind the equipment.
Edit: I swear, Some dude and I hit SAVE at the same moment !
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