What caused the leak in the new hull?

How come nobody in the  whole country could find and fix a leaky rudder shaft on a brand new imported 27’ sportboat? 
 

 I successfully repaired and sold a 28’ Fareast28R and it’s in the hands of a new eager racer.
Not the rudder shaft Sail4Beer. There are no ruddershafts on the First27. The propshaft tube. And the advice was clear from the manufacturers. It was a seal problem. The boat had to be pumped out every two days or the battery box would have been inundated as this boat has no bilge. A temporary bodge repair was made with a silkaflex sarcophagus type structure and only now has the real problem been found. Hence the post. I hope people can learn something.  Simple. 

 
It had a small leak in one of 2 rudder posts. Could have been damage in handling. A great boat that is being denigrated by this thread. The other thread fizzled too. 
I don't  think that at any time I have denigrated the boat. It sails well though very underpowered or prop mismatched  under engine. Just the quality control is what concerns, and indeed fightens me.  

How would you damage a propshaft tube during shipping? I am curious as we hadn't considered this issue. 

 
China. Qingdao had had a Beneteau dealer for many years. Originally it was their own but they sold the main interests to a local maybe 5 years ago. Beneteau' s specialist moved to HongKong to become customer service manager for Asia. I have known him for many years and it was his recommendation to buy a First 27. Undoubtedly to be fair Covid has complicated things. He would have probably visited if it was possible, but movement between HK and China is still very difficult. Now even in China its very difficult. 

 
China. Qingdao had had a Beneteau dealer for many years. Originally it was their own but they sold the main interests to a local maybe 5 years ago. Beneteau' s specialist moved to HongKong to become customer service manager for Asia. I have known him for many years and it was his recommendation to buy a First 27. Undoubtedly to be fair Covid has complicated things. He would have probably visited if it was possible, but movement between HK and China is still very difficult. Now even in China its very difficult. 
But probably a 27ft boat isn't of much interest to Beneteau. 

 

shaggybaxter

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China. Qingdao had had a Beneteau dealer for many years.
Righto, so the shipment of the boat had nothing to do with you.  It was Beneteau shipping to a Beneteau agent/dealer.

You bought the boat locally from Beneteau dealer.

It had a small leak in one of 2 rudder posts. Could have been damage in handling. A great boat that is being denigrated by this thread. The other thread fizzled too. 
Sail, with the above information....what the fuck are you talking about?     

 
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Sail4beer

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I’m talking about the fact that this small leak was discussed last year and is back online. A leak is usually very easy to detect and repair. Especially in a 27’ boat with no bilge and only a propeller shaft, keel slot and bilge pump as points of entry. I’m not trying to make this a shitfight, it’s just that Beneteau builds lots of boats and the boat couldn’t be returned to France to inspection or repair. 
 

I almost bought a 27 last year…

 
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I’m talking about the fact that this small leak was discussed last year and is back online. A leak is usually very easy to detect and repair. Especially in a 27’ boat with no bilge and only a propeller shaft, keel slot and bilge pump as points of entry. I’m not trying to make this a shitfight, it’s just that Beneteau builds lots of boats and the boat couldn’t be returned to France to inspection or repair. 
 

I almost bought a 27 last year…
Yes it's back on line because I undertook to report back outside the First 36 thread when the problem was solved. Which it finally seems to be. And yes it has taken almost a year. 

 

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I’m glad you had it repaired. I wish I could have climbed in there when the boat was launched and found the water ingress, it would have been immediately repaired. Have fun with it and don’t think I’m trying to insult you, I think you got hung out on this one and it’s not your fault.

 

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That's not the point, they shouldn't have to.

A more appropriate comment might be "The world's biggest boatbuilder and they build a boat that doesn't float?"
Wait a minute...it's not like we've never seen boat get dropped in a yard, off a truck or containers getting tossed about. I'd say it's really possible that the boat left the shop in perfect condition but was damaged in transit somehow.

This is from about when the OP received his boat, isn't it?




 

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How would you damage a propshaft tube during shipping? I am curious as we hadn't considered this issue. 
Possibly putting the sling in the wrong place.  The flex of the hull may have been greater than anticipated and caused something to pop.  Not really too likely on a 27' lightweight boat, but it's one possibility.  It could also have slipped out of a sling (although you'd probably see other damage, maybe to the bottom of the keel or forebody knuckle or transom edge).  Or misplaced/dropped on a cradle or stand.  The load doesn't always have to be right at the propshaft tube to cause a problem, twisting loads are an easy way to cause failure.

 

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The fact that it is the first prop tube that Seascape had ever installed might have had something to do with the leak. and the location of the seal being right on the bottom of the flat bottom hull made it very hard to tell where the leak was coming from. they should have installed a saildrive.  

 

kinardly

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My 22 year old Beneteau First has been a solid boat over the five plus years I’ve owned her. The local dealer has been a treasure trove of information, like when some of the Lewmar hatches leaked (not Beneteau’s fault-they just went bad) the dealer was able to send my hull number to the manufacturer and get a complete fit list for replacements. Beneteau also helped me source replacement wood species and finish so a local carpenter could match a missing hanging locker door from scratch. Either the company’s customer support has completely tanked in the past couple of years or circumstances of culture, distance and/or dealer obligations conspired to exacerbate an unfortunate anomaly. One of the great advantages of Beneteau is their longevity. I had an Ericson that was younger when I purchased it but the company had already gone tits up and I was on my own for help. And the Ericson needed a lot more help, with fewer years on it. 

 

shanghaisailor

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On 4/29/2022 at 1:00 AM, Parma said:

Wait a minute...it's not like we've never seen boat get dropped in a yard, off a truck or containers getting tossed about. I'd say it's really possible that the boat left the shop in perfect condition but was damaged in transit somehow.

This is from about when the OP received his boat, isn't it?


Possible but did the rigging wires also shrink at the same time? and it would be strange routing if a ship carrying the boat from Europe to China  was anywhere near Australia's east coast and there was no reporting of any loss from the ship carrying the boat at the time.

Yes there have been incidents of boats being damaged in transit, but surely solid loading instructions and supervision would avoid any such damage.  

My own boat was shipped from UK to China on a container ship - she was the first privately owned racing yacht in China - Maersk did a first class job (especially as it hadn't been done before) and she arrived on her own cradle/trailer and the Seascape 27 would/should have been on her own cradle. If there was any fault with the support then that too would be down to the yard.  

Note 3 boats on a flat rack and none had any damage at all.

Bit of a vacuous post really - clutching at straws perhaps.

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Possible but did the rigging wires also shrink at the same time? and it would be strange routing if a ship carrying the boat from Europe to China  was anywhere near Australia's east coast and there was no reporting of any loss from the ship carrying the boat at the time.

Yes there have been incidents of boats being damaged in transit, but surely solid loading instructions and supervision would avoid any such damage.  

My own boat was shipped from UK to China on a container ship - she was the first privately owned racing yacht in China - Maersk did a first class job (especially as it hadn't been done before) and she arrived on her own cradle/trailer and the Seascape 27 would/should have been on her own cradle. If there was any fault with the support then that too would be down to the yard.  

Note 3 boats on a flat rack and none had any damage at all.

Bit of a vacuous post really - clutching at straws perhaps.

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