Hence I was carefull to say "circumnavigation route." that incorporated Australia and NZ trade.The clipper ship thing is interesting, but it seems to leave a lot of places that were major trade centers off. I guess you have wool in New Zealand, but I've always hear of places like India and China and even Indonesia as the main trading centers of Asia in that era, no offense to Aussie and Kiwis intended...
You answered your own question with the word "rocket". The trade game was and is today all about speed. Those that got their stuff to market first, got the higher price. As the book Fah refers: "The last great grain race."The "5 Capes" or "5 Oceans" is the traditional Clipper Ship "circumnavigation route" derived from the 17th century Brouwer Route.
Why were the Clipper ships furiously sailing far south to rocket around the bottom of the Earth in the Roaring 40s and then return to Western Europe for?
The introduction of the marine steam engine introduced the Suez and Panama Canals where traversing some sections was not even under steam, but by being towed by steam powered locomotives. Being towed by a train can't be included for a defining a circumnavigation route under sail surely?Allan Villiers and Eric Newby 'The last great grain race '....
People like Bruce Hudson? If we slide this topic over into the Bruce thread, I'm sure we'll get the right answer in 10,000 words or more.It’s an arbitrary human endeavor and the definition only exists to ensure records are apples to apples.
No records people who get caught up defining or working against the definition by arguing this and that are missing the point.
You make it way too complicated, Captain.Gold earing right ear ..well that's means you squat to take a piss. If you can do that into a Storm or Violent Storm if gusting over 55 and not fill your shoes up..well you are a Legend mate
Experience and detailed scientific reasoning behind it working. Well done.Experience count and earings in both ears helps too.
Do bits of mountain under the sea count? And mountains on the equator being closer to the moon?Experience and detailed scientific reasoning behind it working. Well done.
Sometimes even with the combination of those two people can get it wrong. If you asked anyone who had climbed My Everest if the had climbed the world's tallest mountain and at its summit were closer to the moon than on any other they mountain, they would without blinking say yes to both.
They are in fact wrong for both. BTW the latter moon question & answer also explains why "longitude" and the Clipper Ship "circumnavigation" route are related if anyone wants to go thread drift nazi on my arse.
The "5 Capes" or "5 Oceans" is the traditional Clipper Ship "circumnavigation route" derived from the 17th century Brouwer Route.
Anything else to describe circumnavigation under sail is simply a modern day imposter or invention.
Don't worry he wasn't forgotten.Magellan's route - the one he didn't finish- went through two antiodes, and the concept existed long before that..,of course, they didn't have canals, so you are right about that being a requirement as well.
...Clipper Ships did go east to west around Cape Horn into the Pacific to reach Asia following the route first opened up by the Spanish and Portuguese in 17th century.....
You mean HWSNBN's planned circumnavigation of Vancouver Island didn't qualify?Your true circumnavigation certainly includes simply circling Antarctica.Or an island in New York Harbor. That is the definition. I think what you mean is a circumnavigation of the earth.
Passing thru a pair of antipodal points seems rather harsh by cruising standards, versus some record book rule. I'm siding with your friend. How many bars did he stop into?
So a circumnavigation route definition can't be "commercially" or "race" course derived (NB. The Speed Council has circumnavigation course parameters for record making).As to the definition of a circumnavigation, it does not make much sense to talk about the routes used by the clippers or other ships. The routes they followed were commercially driven. Really the same thing is true for the various modern rtw races.