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His experiences with tiller pilots was/is always pretty interesting on how long they would last.Well worth reading
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His experiences with tiller pilots was/is always pretty interesting on how long they would last.Well worth reading
That route looks an uninteresting way around the globe to me. Crossing virtually every longitude in the Southern Ocean may be a fast route around the marble but you miss out so much of what makes a circumnavigation really interesting.The "5 Capes" or "5 Oceans" is the traditional Clipper Ship "circumnavigation route" derived from the 17th century Brouwer Route.
Anything else to describe circumnavigation under sail is simply a modern day imposter or invention.
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Indeed MMV's, just ask your wife! B)That depends, on the left you 'allegedly' went past Cape Horn. On the right you're a poofter. YMMV :lol:
Crossing the equator only once is disqualifying, no? Means one started and ended in different home hemispheres? Or shipped the boat across?For a cruiser to have bragging rights at the bar, I would say : sailed from his homeport, crossed all meridians and the equator at least once and came back home.
Jack, read what I posted before. I did not say that a race or clipper ship route would not be a circumnavigation, rather that the routes either might follow would not define a circumnavigation. I doubt that there would/could be any complete agreement on what a circumnavigation is. the key points/questions to be answered:So a circumnavigation route definition can't be "commercially" or "race" course derived (NB. The Speed Council has circumnavigation course parameters for record making).
Therefore that only leaves "recreational". However recreational circumnavigators don't readily leave a trail, some take years even decades, stop and start etc so therefore don't really leave a basis to found a definition upon other than something atrbitary. However there maybe one exception.
There has been well over 200 single handed circumnavigations since the world's first, the 1895-98 circumnavigation by Joshua Slocum on Spray according to sources like RKJ List of Solo Circumnavigators. Majority of their courses incorporate 3 Capes, many 5 Capes and 4 or 5 Oceans and majority of at least one equator crossing.
Those numbers are all recreational (but incl of racing) however the course characteristics don't change. Some like Jon Sanders at the age of 81 is currently going around today for his 11th time.
So if a circumnavigation definition is limited to a recreational foundation then the minimum course average for the "entire history" of mans solo circumnavigations being a minimum of 3 Capes, crossing all meridians of longitude and one equator crossing appears to have a very solid basis.
Yes but I said at least once and was too lazy to separate the equator from my meridians in my sentence!Crossing the equator only once is disqualifying, no? Means one started and ended in different home hemispheres? Or shipped the boat across?
Whoever drew this map was either having fun or isn't a top geographer!
'non-stop, east to west
Not only back in the days. I bet those who did the east to west rounding would still say so, if only to piss off all those uppity Whitbread and Volvo sailors!In the book Rounding the Horn, written by Dallas Murphy, I am pretty sure he says that the east to west, i.e. upwind.., rounding was the only one that "counted", back in the day...
according to Murphy, they didn't consider the downwind rounding to be a real rounding and didn't count it.
how about this one - an antipodal mapBut he was correct on this map.
That therein lies the problem......but really why care about what others want to claim when there is no prize, just personal experience/challenge/achievement.
Only "dead centre" for 365.25 nonconsecutive seconds every year
Phillipines not Patagonia? Mate that Magellan credit thing where he didn't make it back to where he started by dropping dead you will have to take up with the Club President from that time. However as he died around 1550 that could be a challenge. Also maybe fruitless bloody lot of history books to rewrite. Anyway most publications also credit el Carno the guy who drove her home ie even marked in above map.Couple of thoughts come to mind. I have always wondered why Magellan is credited with the first circumnavigation since he only went from Spain to Patagonia. Shouldn't the credit go to his #2 and the small number of his crew who survived the journey.....
..Never heard of the Circumnavigation Club. Could be like Groucho Marx. Would I want to be member of a club that would have me as a member?...
The first club rule change was actually caused by the founding member's own infraction and that is the starting skipper has to finish and not die mid voyage. None the less Magellan's name still sits at top of the club's honour board.
Cossover. The St Helena High pushes them west onto Arg/Brazil coast both inbound and outbound.Second thought, and to mind this is the picking of nits, the latitude of London is about 51.5°N. I would imagine that many clipper voyages did not reach 51.5 ° S, i.e. they did their Southern Ocean passage in the forties. Of course, they may have crossed paths somewhere south of London making the point moot.