What defines a true circumnavigation?

[jack_sparrow]

Downwind in a proper yacht is just too easy, upwind not so much. Ask @littlechay

Brisbane Bill is the one to ask. He is doing it again another another time now.

 

[Bristol-Cruiser]

Phillipines not Patagonia? Mate that Magellan credit thing where he didn't make it back to where he started by dropping dead you will have to take up with the Club President from that time. However as he died around 1550 that could be a challenge. Also maybe fruitless bloody lot of history books to rewrite. Anyway most publications also credit el Carno the guy who drove her home ie even marked in above map.

Like Monaco Yacht Club, Circumnavigation Club is very exclusive, they don't even list membership fee because if you need to ask you can't afford it. Though in the Circumnavigation Clubs case at least your nomination can't be black-balled by Prince Albert.

You are right, poison arrow in the Philippines. I wonder if that hurts. Actually I had never heard of el Carno until just a few years ago. magellan must have had a very effective PR person.

 

[estarzinger]

There actually is a "prize" a . . . . That prize is being inducted into the "Circumnavigation Club." 

Yea, NO . . . . you get home after one and no-one has any idea what you have done/accomplished. There's no prize here except an internal feeling of accomplishment.

 

[jack_sparrow]

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Is this a trick question?

If you get home from a circumnavigation and no-one has any idea of what you have achieved, then you can only be talking about orphans and or very secretive types.

Therefore my comment here about the human condition of recognising achievement of others over and above personal achievement can't possibly apply can it? Personal achievement is the only prize on offer.

Personal achievement and experience aside, that is what humans do, they rank each others achievements.

As for the "prize" being induction into a fictious club that "only exists in the mind," then an internal feeling of accomplishment is again the only prize on offer surely, if no-one else gives a toss and or isn't aware of that accomplishment? Again that aspect and personal achievement is covered off here in my golf analogy

So to conclude belonging to the Circumnavigation  Club is really no different to being a member of a golf   club........    

.....The latter limited in number you see on TV and read about, the former you don't. However both are still golf and hopefully a satisfying experience.

Zinger if you are going to dispel posts with an erudite NO, then doing so without misrepresentation or ignoring what has been said is a reasonable expectation don't you think???

 

[jack_sparrow]

.... I had never heard of el Carno until just a few years ago. magellan must have had a very effective PR person.

You are dead right it was all PR (national identity) from the grave.

Magellan (Portugese) and Elcano (Basque/Spain) where Magellan was the one who started it but largely funded by King of Spain. However combination of Portugal wanted to recognise a Portuguese explorer, and Spain had fears of Basque nationalism through Elcano connection so let Portugal/Magellan take the lead.

 

[Mark Morwood]

Couple of thoughts come to mind. I have always wondered why Magellan is credited with the first circumnavigation since he only went from Spain to Patagonia. Shouldn't the credit go to his #2 and the small number of his crew who survived the journey.

Magellan completed a personal "circumnavigation" as he approached the Phillipines when he crossed his own track from a previous trip coming the other way.

 

[Ed Lada]

I think the OP is regretting that the didn't name this thread Circumnavigation Pedantry.

 

[hasher]

I read this:  https://www.amazon.com/Grounded-Earth-Journey-Around-World/dp/1594484422