What Does Gun Violence Really Cost?

[mathystuff]

We pooled data from 14 identified observational studies that assessed the odds of suicide ([SIZE=9.75pt]6[/SIZE]–[SIZE=9.75pt]8[/SIZE], [SIZE=9.75pt]10[/SIZE], [SIZE=9.75pt]16[/SIZE]–[SIZE=9.75pt]25[/SIZE]) and, using a random-effects model, calculated a pooled OR of 3.24 (95% CI, 2.41 to 4.40)

To put that into perspective an OR of ~3 makes access to firearms a better predictor of completed suicide than mental illness, suicidal ideation and previous suicide attempt (all around an OR of 2).

To my knowledge its second only to psychiatric treatment in the last year and being a veterinary (ORs around 4, iirc).

 

[jocal505]

Reason rates high for factual reporting with the rating site used by many here to discredit sources.

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This libertarian press gets the facts right...on certain selected narratives. They don't present the whole picture. Reason.com is a good-morning bubble, basically, like Fox News.

.As of today, reason.com is rated as "biased" and "selective", by your own source.

Overall, we rate Reason Magazine Right-Center biased based on story selection that favors Libertarian positions and High for factual reporting due to mostly proper sourcing and a clean fact check record. (7/16/2016) Updated (D. Van Zandt 10/15/2020)

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[bpm57]

Weird that our self-murderization rate is lower than so many countries that have very strict gun control, isn't it?

Those don't count.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

"How Japan has all but eliminated gun crime"

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38365729

Japan has one of the lowest rates of gun crime in the world. In 2014 there were just six gun deaths, compared to 33,599 in the US. What is the secret?

Let me guess: the secret is not talking about Japan's suicide rate nor the fact that 2/3 of those "gun deaths" are self-murders.

 

[jocal505]

Let me guess: the secret is not talking about Japan's suicide rate nor the fact that 2/3 of those "gun deaths" are self-murders.

Don't guess, why not use your mind, but for discovery (instead of as a tool to twist the facts around)?

Tom, you are National Merit Scholarship material.  Seriously, what a mark of achievement. Make us proud to have ya, okay?

We are on page twenty of this (hi-jacked and mis-labelled) thread. Where is your fine intelligence applied to the phenomena of Japan and suicide? Guns are not on their radar, so something is up. Are you not twisting, and thus mis-representing the problem, in a basic way?

Here is my humble take on it, though I'm admittedly an uninformed outside: the evidence says that Japan is very against guns, but must be very much neutral or even positive towrds suicide.

 

[jocal505]

It's been a while Tom-boi, got some more fucked up stats for us?

Haven't seen you talking about Brady's Best lately.  What's going on?

Mostly dogballs, since Sept. of 2016, and lots of indoor militias. Tom's condition is on the slide.

Ol' Tom got popped for spooling up the race-baiting.     And I love this place.

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[jocal505]

Yeah?  Did he get a timeout?

No. Our friend Tom changed his behavior in 2020.   ^_^

 

[jocal505]

That's a shame.  He needs a rest from that job. 

Must be tiring banging the same old drum all day every day, when he doesn't even believe it himself.

He "believes" it...while he twists matters dynamically, to make the pieces fit the belief system. What a bunch of nonsense, because...

• CATO and income inequality go hand in hand.
  
• CATO and sandbagging democracy and Putin go hand in hand.
  
• Guns and unrest and the NRA and Russia go hand in hand.
  
• Hmm, Roger Stone plays footsy with Cozy Bear: this is a Libertarian who took initiation into the Proud Boys, last week.
  
• Curiously, CATO types, Russian Facebook activity, and exploiting the racial strife go hand in hand.
  

Astro, I do not care for the Tom Ray crowd.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

Yeah?  Did he get a timeout?

No. Our friend Tom changed his behavior in 2020.  

Nah, I've quoted you this year and will do it again.

The immature, short-sighted desire for gunpower is amplified, and more volatile, among blacks. Even more deadly than among whites.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

Guns are a major problem in the USA.  A higher level of regulation would certainly begin to address the issues that firearms pose in our society.  https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/firearms/fastfact.html

Firearm injuries are a serious public health problem. In 2018, there were 39,740 firearm-related deaths in the United States – that’s about 109 people dying from a firearm-related injury each day. Six out of every 10 deaths were firearm suicides and more than 3 out of every 10 were firearm homicides.

What kinds of regulations do you think would reduce suicides in the US?

 

[hasher]

What kinds of regulations do you think would reduce suicides in the US?

Less guns.

 

[Not for nothing]

for all you gun loving Christians, VI applies for guns 

 

[Not for nothing]

What happen to the good old days when you just gave your fellow driver the finger? Thank the NRA

Christopher Michael Maassen died as a result of a shooting that happened on Feb 19th around 1:45pm on NB I95 at Donald Ross Rd. We know there was an altercation between two adult males.

 

[Burning Man]

for all you gun loving Christians, VI applies for guns 

Does it apply to hands and feet?  Baseball bats and Hammers?  Because both of those types of tools each individually are used to kill more Americans than Assault rifles.  Just saying.

 

[Keith]

What's really killing Americans? just plain old stupidity. 

 

[AJ Oliver]

One more time  . .

Taking it from the top . . 

Gunz are for cowards . . 

and increasingly, fearful cowards 

Vets For Peace 

(before you get started, note that not all VFPer's are pacifists) 

 

[Not for nothing]

Does it apply to hands and feet?  Baseball bats and Hammers?  Because both of those types of tools each individually are used to kill more Americans than Assault rifles.  Just saying.

guns are still by far the # 1& 2  of killings 

See this chart: • Homicides by murder weapon in the U.S. 2019 | Statista

from a Reuters article: Guns are the most commonly used weapons in both murders and suicides, according to the analysis of data from 2007 released on Thursday by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

these are just a few of many studies on Gun deaths,

Going back to the 10 commandments , I don't remember any sub Paragraphs of good and bad killings, 

We are the most heavy arm country in the world and therefore have the most deaths by guns,

Guns have one single purpose TO KILL ,

As a Vietnam Vet , been there , never gone a t-shirt

My whole point is if your a Christian , how can you justify owning or using a gun to kill, people? 

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

Going back to the 10 commandments , I don't remember any sub Paragraphs of good and bad killings, 

I'm not a Christian, but that translation is only one I've seen. Another is thou shalt not murder.

My whole point is if your a Christian , how can you justify owning or using a gun to kill, people? 

Not a Christian, but if it's necessary to avoid serious injury or death, killing is OK with me. How about you? If someone is about to kill you, would defending yourself be OK or are you against self defense?

 

[Not for nothing]

I'm not a Christian, but that translation is only one I've seen. Another is thou shalt not murder.

Not a Christian, but if it's necessary to avoid serious injury or death, killing is OK with me. How about you? If someone is about to kill you, would defending yourself be OK or are you against self defense?

Does that include a port tacker , if your on stbd?

 

[Keith]

America,  the country you can't even walk your fucking dogs in without getting shot and then having your pups stolen.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/targeted-attack-violent-street-heist-of-lady-gagas-dogs-spurs-questions-of-motive/ar-BB1e2Ps9