What Does Gun Violence Really Cost?

[hasher]

America,  the country you can't even walk your fucking dogs in without getting shot and then having your pups stolen.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/targeted-attack-violent-street-heist-of-lady-gagas-dogs-spurs-questions-of-motive/ar-BB1e2Ps9

Please.  Be civic, polite and peaceful in this conversation.  Only a bunch of people in the USA die unnecessarily from gun violence.  By the way, Canucks are American.

 

[Burning Man]

Guns have one single purpose TO KILL ,

As a Vietnam Vet , been there , never gone a t-shirt

My whole point is if your a Christian , how can you justify owning or using a gun to kill, people? 

First of all, I don't claim to be a Christian - well other than in the same vein as @MR.CLEAN calls himself a Jew.  I was brought up as an ethnic Christian - but not a practicing one.  But I digress...... 

Anywho, so are you saying that everyone who owns a gun does so to kill random people in the "thou shalt not kill" spirit?  I don't think that applies to someone who is breaking into your house and trying to rape your wife or kill or your kids?  Or someone that pulls a knife or gun on you as your walking to your car late at night in a "less than safe part of town", now does it?  

Yes, if I use a gun to protect myself, my family or others from harm and kill someone one - then yes that someone is dead.  And that gun has done exactly what it was designed to do.  Kill someone.  Not all deaths are bad.  Not all "killin' is wrong.  Just saying.  

 

[Keith]

First of all, I don't claim to be a Christian - well other than in the same vein as @MR.CLEAN calls himself a Jew.  I was brought up as an ethnic Christian - but not a practicing one.  But I digress...... 

Anywho, so are you saying that everyone who owns a gun does so to kill random people in the "thou shalt not kill" spirit?  I don't think that applies to someone who is breaking into your house and trying to rape your wife or kill or your kids?  Or someone that pulls a knife or gun on you as your walking to your car late at night in a "less than safe part of town", now does it?  

Yes, if I use a gun to protect myself, my family or others from harm and kill someone one - then yes that someone is dead.  And that gun has done exactly what it was designed to do.  Kill someone.  Not all deaths are bad.  Not all "killin' is wrong.  Just saying.  

You must be experienced at this stuff to be so comfortable with your thought, too bad.

Most people have never killed another human and probably never will.

 

[Burning Man]

Most people have never killed another human and probably never will.

ZACTLY!!!! Which is why the notion of prohibiting gunz and removing gunz from ALL simply to attempt to prevent the exceedingly small number of people who might kill another is stoopid and counter-productive.  

Thank you for agreeing with me, finally.  "Better lates than never", my old Pappy Burning Man used to say.

 

[Keith]

ZACTLY!!!! Which is why the notion of prohibiting gunz and removing gunz from ALL simply to attempt to prevent the exceedingly small number of people who might kill another is stoopid and counter-productive.  

Thank you for agreeing with me, finally.  "Better lates than never", my old Pappy Burning Man used to say.

Ya sure. You just can't fix American gun stupid.

Why do Americans live in fear of their fellow Americans?

What you really need down there are serious "federal gun control" laws, until then all you will ever continue to have is the wild wild west...

At a bare minimum, you need.

Safe gun storage, all firearms stored unloaded with trigger locks on, in gun safes.

Ammo stored in a separate safe, clips unloaded. 

No concealed carry ever.

No carry ever of any type without some type of federal movement permit, including on your own property.

No movement of firearms from storage to any location without being unloaded and trigger locked.

Movement of firearms only in a locked case with a trigger lock and no loaded clips.

 

[Burning Man]

Ya sure. You just can't fix American gun stupid.

Why do Americans live in fear of their fellow Americans?

What you really need down there are serious "federal gun control" laws, until then all you will ever continue to have is the wild wild west...

At a bare minimum, you need.

Safe gun storage, all firearms stored unloaded with trigger locks on, in gun safes.

Ammo stored in a separate safe, clips unloaded. 

No concealed carry ever.

No carry ever of any type without some type of federal movement permit, including on your own property.

No movement of firearms from storage to any location without being unloaded and trigger locked.

Movement of firearms only in a locked case with a trigger lock and no loaded clips.

How can you defend your home from invasion with an unloaded gun?  Sorta defeats the purpose.  In fact, there was a fairly recent SC decision on laws that compelled owners to keep their weapons disable and locked up all the time, effectively rendering them useless for their designed purpose.  The ruling started with an "H"..... but it's escaping me.  @jocal505, help me out here......

And with very few exceptions, not a single one of those proposed "laws" would have any effect on the vast majority of gun deaths in the US.

 

[Keith]

How can you defend your home from invasion with an unloaded gun?  Sorta defeats the purpose.  In fact, there was a fairly recent SC decision on laws that compelled owners to keep their weapons disable and locked up all the time, effectively rendering them useless for their designed purpose.  The ruling started with an "H"..... but it's escaping me.  @jocal505, help me out here......

And with very few exceptions, not a single one of those proposed "laws" would have any effect on the vast majority of gun deaths in the US.

OK,  so you expect to have to shoot someone at your home. That's pretty fucked up.

I thought you just shot at targets, at the range... guess that was bullshit.

 

[Burning Man]

OK,  so you expect to have to shoot someone at your home. That's pretty fucked up.

I don't expect it, but I'm prepared for it in the event it happens.  For the same reason I have a fire extinguisher in the kitchen.  I don't expect a fire, but I'm ready for one if it appears and threatens my family.  

I thought you just shot at targets, at the range... guess that was bullshit.

I do only shoot targets.  No one has tried to break into my house yet.   :lol:

 

[Ishmael]

I don't expect it, but I'm prepared for it in the event it happens.  For the same reason I have a fire extinguisher in the kitchen.  I don't expect a fire, but I'm ready for one if it appears and threatens my family.  

I do only shoot targets.  No one has tried to break into my house yet.   :lol:

Well, keep hoping. It is Amerika, after all.

 

[Mid]

problem is 'merica ain't got nuff gunzs .....

 

[Steam Flyer]

I don't expect it, but I'm prepared for it in the event it happens.  For the same reason I have a fire extinguisher in the kitchen.  I don't expect a fire, but I'm ready for one if it appears and threatens my family.  

I do only shoot targets.  No one has tried to break into my house yet.   :lol:

Well, keep hoping. It is Amerika, after all.

Meanwhile, if a dispute breaks out in his neighborhood about how to mow the lawn, he's fully prepared.

- DSK

 

[Burning Man]

Meanwhile, if a dispute breaks out in his neighborhood about how to mow the lawn, he's fully prepared.

- DSK

Lawn?  What's that?  

 

[Steam Flyer]

Lawn?  What's that?  

In my case, it's whatever weeds cover the ground where there aren't trees or wax myrtle.

- DSK

 

[Burning Man]

In my case, it's whatever weeds cover the ground where there aren't trees or wax myrtle.

- DSK

My lawn is all rock.  The mower blades tend to get very dull very quickly.

 

[jocal505]

And with very few exceptions, not a single one of those proposed "laws" would have any effect on the vast majority of gun deaths in the US.

Totally false. ^^^  Hmmm, more  fluffy, alternate facts, from Jeffie.

For starters, they are laws, period. Not "laws."

Please explain your fluff. The studies show that locking the guns up, for a change, would eliminate suicides in a significant way...and these are "the vast majority (60%) of gun deaths in the US. 

And not allowing loaded guns hidden all about, in our homes and cars, would also reduce many homicides. 

Are you a liar?

 

[Steam Flyer]

In my case, it's whatever weeds cover the ground where there aren't trees or wax myrtle.

My lawn is all rock.  The mower blades tend to get very dull very quickly.

B)

yeah but have you -cleaned- your rocks lately?

I would actually like to have at least a couple of rocks, there is not any native here unless you dig down 50~100 feet. Only soft limestone (marl). I live in an HOA community and my goal is to have the maximum natural/native flora up to the point of getting in trouble. My neighbors are all relatively unhappy with my yard although they like the wildlife it attracts & harbors.

- DSK

 

[Burning Man]

Totally false. ^^^  Hmmm, more  fluffy, alternate facts, from Jeffie.

For starters, they are laws, period. Not "laws."

Please explain your fluff. The studies show that locking the guns up, for a change, would eliminate suicides in a significant way...and these are "the vast majority (60%) of gun deaths in the US. 

And not allowing loaded guns hidden all about, in our homes and cars, would also reduce many homicides. 

Are you a liar?

Because presumably the people that buy the gunz, pass their BGCs and lock up their gunz - would also have the key to those gunz and the ammo locker.   Unless you can show me stats that the vast majority of Self-Murder involves getting their hands on guns they do not own or have normal access to - I'm betting self-murder is unaffected much by BGCs, mandatory locks, ammo removed, guns locked while traveling to the range, etc.  In fact I am unaware of ANY case ever in the history of self-murder where the self murderer got a gun, took it in his/her car and headed to the range to go practice and then stopped halfway and shot themselves.  Again, presumably the person who is traveling to the range with a locked gun in the car and ammo locked away in a separate box in the trunk is going to have the keys to both lock boxes should the urge to self-murderate on the way to the range overcomes them.  

 

[jocal505]

Because presumably the people that buy the gunz, pass their BGCs and lock up their gunz - would also have the key to those gunz and the ammo locker.   Unless you can show me stats that the vast majority of Self-Murder involves getting their hands on guns they do not own or have normal access to - I'm betting self-murder is unaffected much by BGCs, mandatory locks, ammo removed, guns locked while traveling to the range, etc.  In fact I am unaware of ANY case ever in the history of self-murder where the self murderer got a gun, took it in his/her car and headed to the range to go practice and then stopped halfway and shot themselves.  Again, presumably the person who is traveling to the range with a locked gun in the car and ammo locked away in a separate box in the trunk is going to have the keys to both lock boxes should the urge to self-murderate on the way to the range overcomes them.  

Poor. Which is why I don't get too involved with you. And BTW, I've responded well, and carefully to you, at times when when I feel like it, and have gotten the blah blah.

• Duh. Kids, and other house members are using the unsecured guns for suicides. 
  
• Duh. With a Jeffie type, a gun in a car is ready to go, of course, not unloaded, with ammo elsewhere.
  
• Duh. The suicide problem has aggregate components. These components are based on the omnipresence of guns.
  
• This prevalence of guns emanates from the modern NRA's , post-1977, self-defense bullshit.
  
• Jeffie, you claimed that not one law would have any effect on suicides, which is quite a heady statement... the studies disagree with you, universally.
  

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

Judge kills himself moments before arrest over hidden bathroom camera accusations


Investigators say Jonathan Newell swallowed camera’s memory card before being questioned 

A judge killed himself moments before he was to have been arrested on allegations he had a hidden camera that captured images of naked boys in his bathroom. 

Jonathan Newell, 50, had been on leave from his role as a circuit judge in Maryland’s Caroline County since July after allegations were made against him. 

When FBI agents arrived at his home in Henderson, Maryland, on Friday morning to arrest him on a federal criminal complaint they found him “suffering from an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound.” 

The Maryland US Attorney’s Office confirmed that the judge had been pronounced dead at 6.43am.

Read more: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/judge-arrest-fbi-maryland-camera-b1918239.html 

Seems more like gun violence than a responsible gun owner to me, so I moved it. You're welcome!

 

[jocal505]

  Seems more like gun violence than a responsible gun owner to me, so I moved it. You're welcome!

You missed one, from the same thread. For readers only, lmfao..

  On 9/6/2021 at 4:01 AM, Excoded Tom said:
Lots of countries with strict gun control have suicide rates similar to, and higher than, the US rate. Grabbers like to use suicides to pad numbers and scare people about violent crimes but the fact is it's very hard to get a gun in Japan, which has a high suicide rate.

(my reply)

DOGBALLED, ON SUICIDE ^^^ 

lazy-ass search, Bing: >"understanding Japan and suicide" for readers only

<https://www.bing.com/search?q=understanding+japan+and+suicide&cvid=3e4b1a40394a46d499e9092a216bc2a7&aqs=edge..69i57.14157j0j4&FORM=ANAB01&PC=HCTS

[SIZE=15pt]Why does Japan have such a high suicide rate? - BBC News[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=15pt][Social factors of mental disorder and suicide in Japan ...[/SIZE] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24189564

[SIZE=15pt]Asian Honor and Suicide | Psychology Today[/SIZE] https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/minority...


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