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Scowjunkie

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barry's from an era way gone. he didn't know what OG stood for, so i told him if mr clean hit that he should be happy. then i said it meant 'old guy' and he just chuckled.

i see the cockpit seats looking like there might be a door in the transom to offer big drain, and cree said there would be big drains at the back of the cockpit floor too.

i can see no reason why there can't be inside steering as well

SJ

 
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Scowjunkie said:
barry's from an era way gone. he didn't know what OG stood for, so i told him if mr clean hit that he should be happy. then i said it meant 'old guy' and he just chuckled.
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Lack of reading comprehension or taking the piss, or both?

PS.

The acronym for old man is SOF, you can choose which of the 2 applies to you...  :p

 
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earlier i asked, " let's have a history investigation. surely someone can 'point' out exactly when humans began putting the point on the front. this has now been developed into the realm of stupid, especially when you think about designs that seem to sail half underwater with the lower portion of sails full of the sea as well, and everyone revels at the thought of spending time hiding from the danger of a wall of water flushing the deck."

still no answer.

does it matter how long we have been fooled?

SJ

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Anyone ever noticed that  the most populair youth boat "The Optimist" has a blunt nose as well?
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=576857419682095 Optimist.jpg

 
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On 9/3/2020 at 6:27 PM, Fiji Bitter said:

Quite an amusing story about the Groote Beer, with quite a moral story for US voters at the end:

https://sea-to-summit.net/the-amazing-life-of-the-groote-beer-and-jack-van-ommen/

And this is a truly breathtaking video of the same Groote Beer on its way to the yard right in the harbour of an old fishing village. This after an earlier refit when the sling broke at launch, and she fell 5 meter, smashing half the wooden botter.

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INteresting! I had never seen a platbodem in the US, nor a schokker with a cabin or painted white. 

 
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I totally get the hull. I need some help with the rig. 

To the best of my knowledge junk rigs are reaching / downwind only. So that is fine for the Milk run, but then what do you do for the beat to NZ? Electric power and a Max Prop?

 
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who has ever had a junk rig made with 100% carbon and hydranet, designed by someone familiar with high speed sailing, and as yet unseen new ideas? the whole argument that a 'junk' rig can't make a boat go to weather is completely specious. 'junk' rigs go to weather all the time and who knows on such an odd hull?. maybe no as fast, or as close, but again, who knows? an argument based on total zero experience.

sail trim is all about angle of attack. seems that the 'junk' rig has some good control over that? maybe trimming above the centerline with proper twist aloft will make lots of effective power? no angle of attack and you don't have shit, just a pretty foil shape doing nothing, bernoulli be damned.

who put the point on the front first? check out this sweet ride. dry deck to weather doing 8-9, rocket of the wind to 15. dry. beating a 30+ footer to weather. yikes. who put the point on?

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On 9/3/2020 at 6:27 PM, Fiji Bitter said:

Quite an amusing story about the Groote Beer, with quite a moral story for US voters at the end:

https://sea-to-summit.net/the-amazing-life-of-the-groote-beer-and-jack-van-ommen/

And this is a truly breathtaking video of the same Groote Beer on its way to the yard right in the harbour of an old fishing village. This after an earlier refit when the sling broke at launch, and she fell 5 meter, smashing half the wooden botter.

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Thanking this thread for the link above, and inspiration:  Having spent ~5 months cruising all over Netherland's canals and casually reading about Jack Van Ommen in Latitude 38 I got myself into a rabbit hole reading about the Groote Beer.  I've seen so many cool traditional, huge and small, old and new, boats over there.  I've been to that busy, ancient, traditional boat yard in Spankenburg where they repaired GB.  It was almost like being transported back to the 1600's, the golden age of that once powerful country.  I'm having deja vu wondering if I saw the her in my wanderings there, its spectacular carvings seem familiar.  Or, if I'd seen it locally during its decade or so in Seattle.  Interesting that local restauranteur Stuart Anderson owned her and then he gave her to the Sea Scouts.

 
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bazza'z cow junk might be like the IMOCA with pushing the rules cow bow who just whipped all the other boys by 2 knots at only low twenties in a 'speed contest'..

cow junks are red

and besides, only bulls got junk.

SJ

 
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Ya know, what a bunch of old fuddy duddies sailors are. From these forums, and this thread in particular, I have learned almost anything that differs from classic design aesthetics, will be judged as - "Ugly" "soulless" "horrible"  "terrible" "Slow " Wet"  "POS"  or any of a long list of negative descriptors. I wonder how many people secretly kind of like it but would rather jump on the slam bandwagon to be part of the gang.

To bad for you guys, and good for me, that the sport is not stagnant. 

 
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