What is the fastest "classic" pre WWII era yacht

[Wckoek]

I wondered which sailboat do you think is the fastest of pre-World War II era design?

Obviously technology change a lot post WWII and fin keel as well as fiberglass technology came along.

I can only think of Dorade/Stormy Weather and probably the first Pen Duick for that era's race boats.

 

[sam_crocker]

Ticonderoga was probably faster than either, at least on an offshore race.

 

[jackolantern]

Fastest? Probably the Schooner Yacht Atlantic.

 

[Cruisin Loser]

Ranger would blow the doors off Ti., or Atlantic around the bouys.

 

[P_Wop]

To windward, one of the 1937 J-Class.

Off the breeze in a blow, i agree with "Big Ti"

Beam reach, a 3-masted schooner like Atlantic, just for the WL length.  But not Creole.

 

[Wckoek]

Fastest? Probably the Schooner Yacht Atlantic.

Ranger would blow the doors off Ti., or Atlantic around the bouys.

To windward, one of the 1937 J-Class.

Off the breeze in a blow, i agree with "Big Ti"

Beam reach, a 3-masted schooner like Atlantic, just for the WL length.  But not Creole.

How about excluding the J-Class?

Those are a class of their own, or else tea clipper would probably qualify as well.

 

[Devoforedeckus]

How about Amaryllis it was so fast they banned it from racing?

 

[Former MDR Vandal 1]

Escapade.

Better record than Little Ti, over a longer period of time and a more diverse race schedule.

 

[pasta514]

http://www.sonderklasse-yachten.de/sonderclasskurz.html

The general restrictions were that the length L on the water-line, plus the greatest beam B plus the greatest draft D, should not be more than thirty-two feet. Also that the boat should not weigh less than 4035 pounds with equipment aboard, and that the sail area rated should not be more than 550 square feet in the main-sail and jib. The table of restrictions follows: (the original rules of 1900, which where modified for the American and German races)

 

[Squalamax]

Fastest for what purpose? There were many VERY fast pre WW2 yachts, many mentioned above.  Reliance, although fragile and not an offshore yacht could reach at 22 knots. There were fin keelers with separate rudders and forward canards in the late 1800's(and I think articulating keels as well)

Hell, although not yachts, the clipper ships were incredibly fast and held many offshore records until broken by multihulls.    

 

[Wckoek]

Escapade.

Better record than Little Ti, over a longer period of time and a more diverse race schedule.

The first time I heard of this boat, too bad it was destroyed a few years ago when there is no takers.

 

[Black Jack]

^ Flying Cloud and Hornet did New York to San Francisco in near 106/8 days. They both carried cargo and passengers. Thats pretty impressive. Andrew Jackson did the run in 89 days in 1860.  They were flying covering more than 15,000 miles averaging 170 miles a day.

 

[fastyacht]

How about excluding the J-Class?

Those are a class of their own, or else tea clipper would probably qualify as well.

Reliance.

Independence coulda been a contemder too

 

[sam_crocker]

^ Flying Cloud and Hornet did New York to San Francisco in near 106/8 days. They both carried cargo and passengers. Thats pretty impressive. Andrew Jackson did the run in 89 days in 1860.  They were flying covering more than 15,000 miles averaging 170 miles a day.

If you think it's hard to round up crew regularly for a J/35, think what it would be like if you had Flying Cloud

 

[Autonomous]

That's why they had press gangs.

 

[Left Shift]

That's why they had press gangs.

Or...You just went to the boat yard and grabbed anyone under 25 with a Swedish accent an a decent wool sweater.

IMO, the fastest in normal in-shore sailing conditions was probably Amaryllis, especially if it had been allowed to develop.  Other than that, Ranger or Reliance were probably the fastest pre-1960's sailboats ever built.

 

[Grande Mastere Dreade]

Brilliant

Hoist the gollywobbler !

Brilliant is a schooner located at Mystic Seaport in Mystic, Connecticut, United States. Brilliant was built in 1932 on City Island, Bronx, by Henry B. Nevins Yard to a design by Olin Stephens of Sparkman & Stephens for Walter Barnum. Brilliant was built as an ocean racing yacht, and on her maiden voyage crossed the Atlantic Ocean in just over 15 days, 1 hour and 23 minutes,[1] a record for a sailing yacht of her size. Brilliant ran from Nantucket Lightship to Bishop Rock Light, England

 

[crashtack]

The first foiler was designed in 1938 by a NASA engineer and, according to the boatdesign forum, achieved about 12knts when foiling.

Herreshoff's Amaryllis II claims to have done 19mph (16.5 knots) "under reduced canvas" in 1933.

http://www.herreshoff.info/Docs/AuxDocs/2017_03_27_S01232_Amaryllis_II_Summary.pdf

 

[Chris in Santa Cruz CA]

If you think it's hard to round up crew regularly for a J/35, think what it would be like if you had Flying Cloud

Rounded up the drunks and threw them on the boat at the end just before departure.