What's a fair price for this boat?

tane

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Not being familiar with this design at all, but liking the looks very much I have to ask: is this boat cruisable too? If yes (bowroller, freshwater tankage, toilet, ...): why not advertise it in a way appealing for cruisers too?

 

Remodel

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Not being familiar with this design at all, but liking the looks very much I have to ask: is this boat cruisable too? If yes (bowroller, freshwater tankage, toilet, ...): why not advertise it in a way appealing for cruisers too?
Well, that's the problem in a nutshell. Older racers don't carry much value 30 years later. Especially a masthead rig with large, expensive overlapping headsails, runners, checks, a tiller and requiring a sizeable crew to get optimal performance. It's a beautiful boat that I would love to own if I were in the market, but it's a race boat, not a family friendly cruiser. Look for someone that loves that style of boat and would like to move up from say a J-35. What fleets are left that have active participation in that rating band? There's your market. What they are willing to pay will be based on what they don't have to spend to be competitive out of the box. You've got to show potential buyers what makes your boat worth 10 or 15 thousand more than the comps. Sails, hardware, bottom job, perhaps local availability (no transport costs) etc. perhaps you would be willing to deliver the boat within a certain radius.

 
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Bump-n-Grind

Get off my lawn.
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Chesapeake Bay/Vail
OK guys, I'm confused.  If you are racing PHRF, what the heck is wrong with a masthead, aluminum, inline spreader rig?  There are many great boats for PHRF racing with that kind of rig.  My old S2 9.1 is a great example, as is the Olson 911S, the J-35, etc, etc, etc.  OBTW,  I raced in Hampton Roads for for many years before moving out to Socal and Voodoo has always run a class program, and the boat was always well cared for and nicely equipped to race.  
eggzackley, a masthead boat here on the bay,  is sometimes the reason why my genoa can actually grab some air, while other, smaller, usually faster boats cannot. 

I also think a lot of people get checkstays confused with runners... not sure what's on Voodoo, but I dont even mess with the checkstays 80% of the time. abou the only times I've even plugged  them in is for 1D or  distance races.

 

Remodel

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eggzackley, a masthead boat here on the bay,  is sometimes the reason why my genoa can actually grab some air, while other, smaller, usually faster boats cannot. 

I also think a lot of people get checkstays confused with runners... not sure what's on Voodoo, but I dont even mess with the checkstays 80% of the time. abou the only times I've even plugged  them in is for 1D or  distance races.


eggzackley, a masthead boat here on the bay,  is sometimes the reason why my genoa can actually grab some air, while other, smaller, usually faster boats cannot. 

I also think a lot of people get checkstays confused with runners... not sure what's on Voodoo, but I dont even mess with the checkstays 80% of the time. abou the only times I've even plugged  them in is for 1D or  distance races.
There's nothing wrong with any of that. It's just these things appeal to a certain kind of racer like me. Not so much so cruisers.

For better or worse, (and I'm not judging,) cruisers like wheels. They like furlers. They don't want to mess with runners and/or checks. They have no use for outhauls, tweakers, cunninghams, reaching struts and all the little go-fast strings that some of us love to play with. They don't like full width travelers that cut the cockpit in two. They like a boom high enough to put a big ol' bimini underneath and travelers mounted forward of the hatch. They like a lot of storage space, headroom and big, wide berths that are useless in a seaway. They like large tanks, microwaves and the ability to get from point A to point B with just the the wife, a couple of kids and maybe a dog.

 

Bump-n-Grind

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Chesapeake Bay/Vail
There's nothing wrong with any of that. It's just these things appeal to a certain kind of racer like me. Not so much so cruisers.

For better or worse, (and I'm not judging,) cruisers like wheels. They like furlers. They don't want to mess with runners and/or checks. They have no use for outhauls, tweakers, cunninghams, reaching struts and all the little go-fast strings that some of us love to play with. They don't like full width travelers that cut the cockpit in two. They like a boom high enough to put a big ol' bimini underneath and travelers mounted forward of the hatch. They like a lot of storage space, headroom and big, wide berths that are useless in a seaway. They like large tanks, microwaves and the ability to get from point A to point B with just the the wife, a couple of kids and maybe a dog.
Then get a power boat! Problems solved! LOL 

fwiw, I have both ;)

I would go absolutely bonkers on a cruising boat that didn't have all the adjustability.. not to harp on checkstays, but, even though I don't use them much, I know they're there if I feel the need to put them in play. 

DIsclaimer: these remarks are not particularly relevant to Voodoo, just my opinions, for what very little they are worth in this discussion LOL

 

glass

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I've listed our '89 Holby Tripp 38 in the SA classifieds at $45K.  Lot's of upgrades, new paint, great sail inventory, repowered, replaced standing rigging. It's a great sailing boat!  I've gotten a couple inquiries, but wonder if my price is too high.  Bullshit aside, what's it worth?  Thanks, Voodoochile\

My boat finished 1st while Fatikoko finished last in section consisting of 15 boats. You can buy my boat on a custom made aluminum trailer for substantially lower price.


FIRST IN 12 BOAT SECTION AND EIGHT TO FINISH OVER THE LINE IN 108 BOAT FLEET
Chicago to Waukegan
Date: 06/23/07 StartTime: 08:45:00 Distance: 26.2 nm







Pos


Order


Sail


Boat


Skipper


PHRF


Club


Type


Finish


Elapsed


Corrected


Score






1


8


 


Flying Tiger


THAT IS ME


48


 


PHRF2


13:26:41


04:41:41


04:20:43


1




2


6


50136


Salsa


Stott,Pete + Sue


27


CYC


J/130


13:22:04


04:37:04


04:25:17


2




3


10


52120


Valkyrie


Moore,John


48


COL


J/120


13:31:47


04:46:47


04:25:49


3




4


11


50791


Sirocco 2


Klairmont,Robert


48


WYC


J/120


13:31:52


04:46:52


04:25:54


4




5


18


52039


Jahazi


Giampoli,Frank


51


COL


J/120


13:39:31


04:54:31


04:32:15


5




6


9


52144


Eagles Wings


John J. Gottwald


21


COL


Grand Soleil 44R


13:30:10


04:45:10


04:36:00


6




7


22


50306


Elusive


Vargish,Thomas


48


COL


J/120


13:42:25


04:57:25


04:36:27


7




8


62


10


Troubadour


Wilhelm,Lars + Felicia


57


CYC


Dehler 39


13:47:31


05:02:31


04:37:38


8




9


14


28380


Spirit Walker


McCain,Vern


24


SHYC


B & H 41


13:34:27


04:49:27


04:38:58


9




10


60


50134


Sirocco VI


Fanizzo,Bill & Viviana


51


CYC


Mumm 36


13:47:21


05:02:21


04:40:05


10




11


17


39536


Jason


Cohen,Edward


30


BPYC


Farr 395


13:38:44


04:53:44


04:40:38


11




12


68


42341


Fitikoko


Zienda,John


54


CYC


Tripp 38


13:50:33


05:05:33


04:41:58


12




 
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voodoochile

Anarchist
595
42
Hampton, Va
My boat finished 1st while Fatikoko finished last in section consisting of 15 boats. You can buy my boat on a custom made aluminum trailer for substantially lower price.


FIRST IN 12 BOAT SECTION AND EIGHT TO FINISH OVER THE LINE IN 108 BOAT FLEET
Chicago to Waukegan
Date: 06/23/07 StartTime: 08:45:00 Distance: 26.2 nm







Pos


Order


Sail


Boat


Skipper


PHRF


Club


Type


Finish


Elapsed


Corrected


Score






1


8


 


Flying Tiger


THAT IS ME


48


 


PHRF2


13:26:41


04:41:41


04:20:43


1




2


6


50136


Salsa


Stott,Pete + Sue


27


CYC


J/130


13:22:04


04:37:04


04:25:17


2




3


10


52120


Valkyrie


Moore,John


48


COL


J/120


13:31:47


04:46:47


04:25:49


3




4


11


50791


Sirocco 2


Klairmont,Robert


48


WYC


J/120


13:31:52


04:46:52


04:25:54


4




5


18


52039


Jahazi


Giampoli,Frank


51


COL


J/120


13:39:31


04:54:31


04:32:15


5




6


9


52144


Eagles Wings


John J. Gottwald


21


COL


Grand Soleil 44R


13:30:10


04:45:10


04:36:00


6




7


22


50306


Elusive


Vargish,Thomas


48


COL


J/120


13:42:25


04:57:25


04:36:27


7




8


62


10


Troubadour


Wilhelm,Lars + Felicia


57


CYC


Dehler 39


13:47:31


05:02:31


04:37:38


8




9


14


28380


Spirit Walker


McCain,Vern


24


SHYC


B & H 41


13:34:27


04:49:27


04:38:58


9




10


60


50134


Sirocco VI


Fanizzo,Bill & Viviana


51


CYC


Mumm 36


13:47:21


05:02:21


04:40:05


10




11


17


39536


Jason


Cohen,Edward


30


BPYC


Farr 395


13:38:44


04:53:44


04:40:38


11




12


68


42341


Fitikoko


Zienda,John


54


CYC


Tripp 38


13:50:33


05:05:33


04:41:58


12
Fiti was never sailed to her potential in Chicago.  Check some of our results or Warrior in St. Pete or Annapolis (as Fitikoko) .  What can I say...one race...congrats.  And an FT10 is not a comparable boat.  

 

voodoochile

Anarchist
595
42
Hampton, Va
eggzackley, a masthead boat here on the bay,  is sometimes the reason why my genoa can actually grab some air, while other, smaller, usually faster boats cannot. 

I also think a lot of people get checkstays confused with runners... not sure what's on Voodoo, but I dont even mess with the checkstays 80% of the time. abou the only times I've even plugged  them in is for 1D or  distance races.
Ditto BNG.  Our runners/checks come into play to compliment the headstay tension.  Leave em loose, mast bends and depowers.  Need point AND some power?  Pull on the runners and checks to pull shape back into the main.  Want to point and depower?  Pull on backstay w/o runners to bend mast, then snug runner and check to stabilize.  And so forth.  This is a RACE BOAT.  All the strings do things.  You don't hafta pull on em all the time, just when you want to win and need another degree of point or a little more go in the chop. And with 50'+ of stick, you want adjustment. In the light there's often breeze up there where the little boats can't reach it.    

 

voodoochile

Anarchist
595
42
Hampton, Va
Fiti was never sailed to her potential in Chicago.  Check some of our results or Warrior in St. Pete or Annapolis (as Fitikoko) .  What can I say...one race...congrats.  And an FT10 is not a comparable boat.  
Here's a current result.  

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Crash

Super Anarchist
5,080
1,012
SoCal
My boat finished 1st while Fatikoko finished last in section consisting of 15 boats. You can buy my boat on a custom made aluminum trailer for substantially lower price.


FIRST IN 12 BOAT SECTION AND EIGHT TO FINISH OVER THE LINE IN 108 BOAT FLEET
Chicago to Waukegan
Date: 06/23/07 StartTime: 08:45:00 Distance: 26.2 nm







Pos


Order


Sail


Boat


Skipper


PHRF


Club


Type


Finish


Elapsed


Corrected


Score






1


8


 


Flying Tiger


THAT IS ME


48


 


PHRF2


13:26:41


04:41:41


04:20:43


1




2


6


50136


Salsa


Stott,Pete + Sue


27


CYC


J/130


13:22:04


04:37:04


04:25:17


2




3


10


52120


Valkyrie


Moore,John


48


COL


J/120


13:31:47


04:46:47


04:25:49


3




4


11


50791


Sirocco 2


Klairmont,Robert


48


WYC


J/120


13:31:52


04:46:52


04:25:54


4




5


18


52039


Jahazi


Giampoli,Frank


51


COL


J/120


13:39:31


04:54:31


04:32:15


5




6


9


52144


Eagles Wings


John J. Gottwald


21


COL


Grand Soleil 44R


13:30:10


04:45:10


04:36:00


6




7


22


50306


Elusive


Vargish,Thomas


48


COL


J/120


13:42:25


04:57:25


04:36:27


7




8


62


10


Troubadour


Wilhelm,Lars + Felicia


57


CYC


Dehler 39


13:47:31


05:02:31


04:37:38


8




9


14


28380


Spirit Walker


McCain,Vern


24


SHYC


B & H 41


13:34:27


04:49:27


04:38:58


9




10


60


50134


Sirocco VI


Fanizzo,Bill & Viviana


51


CYC


Mumm 36


13:47:21


05:02:21


04:40:05


10




11


17


39536


Jason


Cohen,Edward


30


BPYC


Farr 395


13:38:44


04:53:44


04:40:38


11




12


68


42341


Fitikoko


Zienda,John


54


CYC


Tripp 38


13:50:33


05:05:33


04:41:58


12
Nice job in one race, but distance racing throws a bunch of other factors into the mix that have little to do with the actual capability of the boat.  I once beat a 46 foot IOR boat (boat for boat) on a 44 foot CCA yawl from Marblehead to Halifax.  By almost a day.  Anyone want to posit that a 44 foot Luders Yawl is faster than a 46 foot custom S&S IOR boat? The yawl rated 70 secs a mile slower than the IOR boat.  I like the FT 10, but it is a totally different boat than a Tripp 38, so its really its an apples to oranges comparison...

 

Crash

Super Anarchist
5,080
1,012
SoCal
There's nothing wrong with any of that. It's just these things appeal to a certain kind of racer like me. Not so much so cruisers.

For better or worse, (and I'm not judging,) cruisers like wheels. They like furlers. They don't want to mess with runners and/or checks. They have no use for outhauls, tweakers, cunninghams, reaching struts and all the little go-fast strings that some of us love to play with. They don't like full width travelers that cut the cockpit in two. They like a boom high enough to put a big ol' bimini underneath and travelers mounted forward of the hatch. They like a lot of storage space, headroom and big, wide berths that are useless in a seaway. They like large tanks, microwaves and the ability to get from point A to point B with just the the wife, a couple of kids and maybe a dog.
You are right, but this isn't a "cruising boat" but doesn't pretend to be one.  Its a racer, that can be cruised for a weekend with your wife and kids, or that you can spend the night on while on an layover between two point to point races.  Or that you can sleep the off watch while doing Annapolis to Bermuda, or Annapolis to Newport.  It would be an awesome boat for a Mac race, or a Down the Bay Race.  As far as cruising boats go, it will utterly smoke most 38 foot cruising boats.  A Catalina 38 rates 120 PHRF on the Chesapeake, so 60 secs/mile slower.  You'd have to go to a Catalina 50 to get anywhere close (it rates 75).  Beneteau?  The Oceanis 381 rates 144.  You'd need a Sense 50 or 55 to be close to the speed of the Tripp 38.  A Jeanneau Sun Oddessey 42i Performance Edition?  Rates 75.  Hanse 400, also around 75.  

 

voodoochile

Anarchist
595
42
Hampton, Va
PRICE DROP!  $39,900.  It's been a few weeks and we've had some interest but no takers.  We're also having a Hull and Deck Survey done.  Bring us and offer!  Leroi

 

tane

Anarchist
912
244
"Especially a masthead rig with large, expensive overlapping headsails, runners, checks, a tiller and requiring a sizeable crew to get optimal performance. It's a beautiful boat that I would love to own if I were in the market, but it's a race boat, not a family friendly cruiser."
as a (former..) bluewater cruiser (3+rtw) these would not be the deal killers, on the contrary: tiller = easy windvane-connecting & simple mechanics, overlapping headsails = easier reefing with roller furler + broad reaching under headsail alone further down the windrange, runners = no swept-back spreaders which are are PIA downwind+"more wires=more security" if something breaks & the possibilty to totally "immobilize" the spar.

The dealkillers for us would be pantry & charttable forward of mast, forward toilet

 

tane

Anarchist
912
244
There's nothing wrong with any of that. It's just these things appeal to a certain kind of racer like me. Not so much so cruisers.

For better or worse, (and I'm not judging,) cruisers like wheels. They like furlers. They don't want to mess with runners and/or checks. They have no use for outhauls, tweakers, cunninghams, reaching struts and all the little go-fast strings that some of us love to play with. They don't like full width travelers that cut the cockpit in two. They like a boom high enough to put a big ol' bimini underneath and travelers mounted forward of the hatch. They like a lot of storage space, headroom and big, wide berths that are useless in a seaway. They like large tanks, microwaves and the ability to get from point A to point B with just the the wife, a couple of kids and maybe a dog.
"old-style" (& maybe US-) cruisers have these preferences...if you look around at the crossroads of the "coconut-milkrun" you will find many "performance-cruisers" (but not that many out-&out raceboats...)

 

Crash

Super Anarchist
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SoCal
Unless she is rigged differently from Fiti/As Larks/Warrior, I believe she only has checks, not runners. 
Yeah, if you look carefully at the pictures, looks like hydraulically adjusted backstay, with checkstays run to winches.

 

voodoochile

Anarchist
595
42
Hampton, Va
Yeah, if you look carefully at the pictures, looks like hydraulically adjusted backstay, with checkstays run to winches.
Yep!  Holmatro hydraulic backstay replaced the old Navtec that was in the middle of the cockpit floor!  No telling how many fingers got busted in that.  The lower checkstay is adjustable independently of the top checkstay.  Lotsa people think checks are a PIA, but they allow for a LOT of mainsail adjustment.  

 

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