Marty Gingras
Mid-range Anarchist
Haven't we learned not to jump to conclusions after the 2022 Swiftsure-jibe-injury-protest thing? Surely the OP will tell us if the allegations are true, and if so what (if any) mitigating circumstances there were.
What's at stake with NBR Misconduct rule 69?
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Bump-n-Grind
Get off my lawn.
I suspect this outburst took place in Newport. Crews were processed thru Bermuda Customs before they left Newport. I suspect it didn't happen at Harbor Court, but really have no idea. didn't do this race this year.
10thTonner
Hazard to Navigation
Disclaimer: I think that guy behaved like an arsehole.
But I also still think that going full 69 on somebody for something he did outside a regatta is selective punishment.
We’ve had cunts get away with reshaping keels, adding illegal ballast, punching paparazzi, ignoring distress calls, trying to run over an International Judge with a car, going mute on AIS, etc… but kicking a fucking table is 69 material? Gimme a break!
I’ve kicked enough tables in my life to get banned until I don’t know what. But somehow nobody protested and I am still racing my 6kts shitbox on my little lake…
Selective punishment, baby! The true sign of autocracy.
But I also still think that going full 69 on somebody for something he did outside a regatta is selective punishment.
We’ve had cunts get away with reshaping keels, adding illegal ballast, punching paparazzi, ignoring distress calls, trying to run over an International Judge with a car, going mute on AIS, etc… but kicking a fucking table is 69 material? Gimme a break!
I’ve kicked enough tables in my life to get banned until I don’t know what. But somehow nobody protested and I am still racing my 6kts shitbox on my little lake…
Selective punishment, baby! The true sign of autocracy.
Tacoma Mud Flats
Have star, will steer by
Ishmael found he could manage his anger, by just going to sea...
“Whenever I find myself growing grim about the mouth; whenever it is a damp, drizzly November in my soul; whenever I find myself involuntarily pausing before coffin warehouses, and bringing up the rear of every funeral I meet; and especially whenever my hypos get such an upper hand of me, that it requires a strong moral principle to prevent me from deliberately stepping into the street, and methodically knocking people's hats off--then, I account it high time to get to sea as soon as I can. This is my substitute for pistol and ball. With a philosophical flourish Cato throws himself upon his sword; I quietly take to the ship.”
Foredeck Shuffle
More of a Stoic Cynic, Anarchy Sounds Exhausting
Breaking, smashing, throwing, kicking, punching, things, is mostly immature but also indirect aggression used to bully others. I agree with others, ignore the hearing, you're too cool for their opinions.
10 Examples of Misconduct
10.1 All cases must be judged on the specific facts of a situation and bearing in mind all relevant circumstances.
10.2 The following are examples of misconduct. They are not exhaustive.
10.2.1 Engaging in any illegal activity (e.g. theft, assault, criminal damage)
10.2.2 Engaging in any activity which brings the sport into disrepute
10.2.3 Bullying, discriminatory behaviour and intimidation
10.2.4 Physical or threatened violence
10.2.5 Deliberate damage or abuse of property (including a boat)
10.2.6 Deliberately disobeying the reasonable instructions of event officials
10.2.7 Repeated breaches of rule 2
10.2.8 Inciting others to break rule 2
10.2.9 Deliberately breaking a racing rule with the intention of gaining an advantage
10.2.10 Deliberate interference with another competitor's equipment
10.2.11 Repeating a measurement offence (intentionally or recklessly)
10.2.12 Lying to a hearing
10.2.13 Other forms of cheating such as falsifying personal, class or measurement documents, entering a boat known not to measure, missing out a mark to gain places etc.
10.2.14 Foul or abusive language intended to offend (see below)
11 Foul or abusive language
11.1 Bad language (including that not directed towards an official) must be carefully judged in the context.
11.2 If you are uncomfortable with the language being used, then action should be taken. It is quite proper for clubs and organisers to make clear before an event that the use of inappropriate language will lead to rule 69 action. If the organisers have made this statement, then the protest committee should be prepared to enforce the standards expected.
11.3 Equally, foul or abusive language at youth or junior events should not be tolerated. Events which are televised or streamed live should also not tolerate bad language.
11.4 However, if an event or club has tolerated such language in the past, then a single incident of bad language should not trigger rule 69 action. This is not to condone such a language, but World Sailing supports the principle that clubs and events must set and improve their own standards.
11.5 Foul and abusive language towards race officials should be considered under the dissent guidance found in Appendix F.
Appendix F
56 Respect for other competitors
56.1 Breaches of this principle include:
56.1.1 Bullying, intimidating or harassing others
56.1.2 Verbal abuse, unnecessary shouting or foul language
56.1.3 Ungracious acceptance of defeat
56.1.4 Sailing to benefit another competitor to the detriment of own position (not applicable in team racing events)
56.1.5 Deliberately making misleading hails
57 Respect for race officials
57.1 Breaches of this principle include:
57.1.1 Use of language that might convey incompetence or prejudice of race officials
57.1.2 Use of language which personally offends a race official
57.1.3 Dissent against a race official decision
58 Respect for property
58.1 Breaches of this principle include:
58.1.1 Reckless sailing likely to result in damage or injury
58.1.2 Abuse of boats or equipment supplied by an Organizing Authority or belonging to a competitor
58.1.3 Careless damage to property
10 Examples of Misconduct
10.1 All cases must be judged on the specific facts of a situation and bearing in mind all relevant circumstances.
10.2 The following are examples of misconduct. They are not exhaustive.
10.2.1 Engaging in any illegal activity (e.g. theft, assault, criminal damage)
10.2.2 Engaging in any activity which brings the sport into disrepute
10.2.3 Bullying, discriminatory behaviour and intimidation
10.2.4 Physical or threatened violence
10.2.5 Deliberate damage or abuse of property (including a boat)
10.2.6 Deliberately disobeying the reasonable instructions of event officials
10.2.7 Repeated breaches of rule 2
10.2.8 Inciting others to break rule 2
10.2.9 Deliberately breaking a racing rule with the intention of gaining an advantage
10.2.10 Deliberate interference with another competitor's equipment
10.2.11 Repeating a measurement offence (intentionally or recklessly)
10.2.12 Lying to a hearing
10.2.13 Other forms of cheating such as falsifying personal, class or measurement documents, entering a boat known not to measure, missing out a mark to gain places etc.
10.2.14 Foul or abusive language intended to offend (see below)
11 Foul or abusive language
11.1 Bad language (including that not directed towards an official) must be carefully judged in the context.
11.2 If you are uncomfortable with the language being used, then action should be taken. It is quite proper for clubs and organisers to make clear before an event that the use of inappropriate language will lead to rule 69 action. If the organisers have made this statement, then the protest committee should be prepared to enforce the standards expected.
11.3 Equally, foul or abusive language at youth or junior events should not be tolerated. Events which are televised or streamed live should also not tolerate bad language.
11.4 However, if an event or club has tolerated such language in the past, then a single incident of bad language should not trigger rule 69 action. This is not to condone such a language, but World Sailing supports the principle that clubs and events must set and improve their own standards.
11.5 Foul and abusive language towards race officials should be considered under the dissent guidance found in Appendix F.
Appendix F
56 Respect for other competitors
56.1 Breaches of this principle include:
56.1.1 Bullying, intimidating or harassing others
56.1.2 Verbal abuse, unnecessary shouting or foul language
56.1.3 Ungracious acceptance of defeat
56.1.4 Sailing to benefit another competitor to the detriment of own position (not applicable in team racing events)
56.1.5 Deliberately making misleading hails
57 Respect for race officials
57.1 Breaches of this principle include:
57.1.1 Use of language that might convey incompetence or prejudice of race officials
57.1.2 Use of language which personally offends a race official
57.1.3 Dissent against a race official decision
58 Respect for property
58.1 Breaches of this principle include:
58.1.1 Reckless sailing likely to result in damage or injury
58.1.2 Abuse of boats or equipment supplied by an Organizing Authority or belonging to a competitor
58.1.3 Careless damage to property
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JimC
Not actually an anarchist.
An RRS69 hearing is not AIUI technically a protest. And it might be the organisers don't wish to make things public until/unless the allegations are substantiated.
Having a R69 hearing is not in itself a punishment.
The R69 hearing cannot ban anyone for anything anyway. They can issue a warning, create a points penalty, of even remove a boat from an event. But they cant issue a suspension from other events or ban someone.
Once it is reported to the national authority, they can do more if they think its warranted.
BUT without a R69 hearing there is no way to even issue an official warning to a crew member.
So for goodness sake lets stop conflating holding a hearing with immediatley imposing the harshest possible penalty assuming that this is escalated all the way.
basketcase
Fuck you second amendment
But.... You are known by the company you keep.
No, you shouldn’t go to the hearing.
You also should never step foot anywhere near a sailing event again the rest of your life.
You are an asshole.
A rule 69 hearing addresses misconduct by an individual person, however in accordance with the definition, the boat is also a party to the hearing.
Party
A party to a hearing is
- for a protest hearing: a protestor, a protestee;
- for a request for redress: a boat requesting redress or for which redress is requested, a race committee acting under rule 60.2(b).
- for a request for redress under rule 62.1(a); the body alleged to have made an improper action or omission;
- a boat or a competitor that may be penalized under rule 69.2.
zenmasterfred
Super Anarchist
What a flaming dick head, off w/ his cock I say!
Gouvernail
Lottsa people don’t know I’m famous
Wow!!
Sportsmanship
Gross breach of good sportsmanship.
What does it take any more??
Sportsmanship
Gross breach of good sportsmanship.
What does it take any more??
HILLY
HILLY
Read this and see if you have behaved in a manner that is in breach of Sect. 4, and then read the rest of it, (esp, sect.6), and see how widespread the time frame is for your behaviour, and the ultimate penalty that can be given, especially if you're too important to show up to a hearing and at the VERY MINIMUM offer a heartfelt apology.
Disclaimer: I got all my facts (or "facts") from this thread.
If arsehole's actions mean that all the other competitors can't check in before the race and have to queue after it, is it outside a regatta?
Just A Skosh
Super Anarchist
Yep, I saw him do it too
EastCoastHustle
Member
I wish someone got a video of this Karen's temper tantrum!
Liquid
NFLTG
The OP is a perfect example of the low IQ of anti vaccer/no mask idiots.
"Hey look over here, see what I did, my Mom will be so proud, let me show you: See what a stupid asshole I am!"
"Hey look over here, see what I did, my Mom will be so proud, let me show you: See what a stupid asshole I am!"
basketcase
Fuck you second amendment
What an absolute fucking fuckwit. He should be bounced, like a superball, from sailing as a whole.
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