What's at stake with NBR Misconduct rule 69?

bgytr

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Man... so you don't like someone else's policy. Weigh the options of your behavior before acting maybe? That's what people supposedly learn the first 20ish years of life, no?
 

Coastal_Fox

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I'm not a lawyer and I don't know anything about officially sanctioned sailboat racing regulations, but, im fairly certain that if you were yelling "REEEE" at the time of the incident, you should be able to argue that you were low on chicken tendies and the whole issue will be dropped.
You should get a standing ovation and the title of "madlad" too, but if not, i wouldn't push the issue.
 

Israel Hands

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Not gonna waste my time on that video, but ironically it looks like a certain type of political rally. You see that, right?

But all that is a giant leap away from the expectation of reasonably good manners in a gentleman's (and gentlewoman's) sport .
 

shubrook

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Clearly safety isn't an issue in this race. It's not like it's deadly or anything.
Certainly it is - who want's to die? It just shoudn't be the primary issue. Sailing is inherently dangerous, and being on the ocean is one of the few things you can still do to actually exercise your courage (not that it's dangerous most of the time).

For the last few years, I've found engaging with the safety-focused to be rather taxing and I got pretty good at avoiding them. I really didn't expect to bump into them at an offshore sailing event. Ahh well...

another great video essay for those that might be interested:

 

George Dewey

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I suspect this outburst took place in Newport. Crews were processed thru Bermuda Customs before they left Newport. I suspect it didn't happen at Harbor Court, but really have no idea. didn't do this race this year.

The immigration station was in Newport at the offices of Sail Newport, which is near Ft Adams. NYYC was not involved in any way.

The line was extremely long, with people waiting up to 3 hours to check in. It was a bit of extra frustration because it was more or less the same stuff we had all already done online. I was confused about the entire thing because I entered my vax stuff and passport info and all using the Bermuda provided website and was given a "green" clearance to enter Bermuda. My understanding is that people were asked to wear masks during the entire wait. Then fill out another form, then sit with the immigration official. I got lucky. When I arrived to do this about 30 minutes before they closed I was one of about 3 guys there, so no wait for me. Just took a few minutes.

All that said, everyone else managed to wait in line without throwing a temper fit. Ultimately it's their country, and if we want to enter we need to follow their rules.

As to rule 69... Not that long ago a group of pro sailors arrived in Newport, went out, got drunk, interfered with a fire crew when an alarm was pulled, literally brawled with police officers on public streets sending several people to the hospital (for minor injuries) and when I suggested Rule 69 applied I was thoroughly skewered by truly obnoxious posters on this board. This guy threw a temper fit and knocked a table over. No one was hurt, nothing was damaged. He has already been banned from ever entering Bermuda. No need to keep beating this horse.
 

Coastal_Fox

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Certainly it is - who want's to die? It just shoudn't be the primary issue. Sailing is inherently dangerous, and being on the ocean is one of the few things you can still do to actually exercise your courage (not that it's dangerous most of the time).

For the last few years, I've found engaging with the safety-focused to be rather taxing and I got pretty good at avoiding them. I really didn't expect to bump into them at an offshore sailing event. Ahh well...

another great video essay for those that might be interested:


Putting aside for a moment the fact that you let your team down and possibly jeopardized your future in a sport you enjoy; do you not see the irony in saying "I did it because I'm not a conformist like other "sheeple" maaan, just like [X Y Z] corporate youtube channels told me to!"

Like...
 

JohnMB

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Certainly it is - who want's to die? It just shoudn't be the primary issue. Sailing is inherently dangerous, and being on the ocean is one of the few things you can still do to actually exercise your courage (not that it's dangerous most of the time).

For the last few years, I've found engaging with the safety-focused to be rather taxing and I got pretty good at avoiding them. I really didn't expect to bump into them at an offshore sailing event. Ahh well...

The issue is not abut whether people are to safety focused or not, or even about mask wearing, its about simple politeness when you are in someone else's space.

I you don't want to abide by your hosts rules you dont have to go there, if you go there you should abide by their rules even if you don't agree with them. There's no excuse for throwing a hissy fit because someone makes a simple request while you are in their space.
 

kent_island_sailor

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The immigration station was in Newport at the offices of Sail Newport, which is near Ft Adams. NYYC was not involved in any way.

The line was extremely long, with people waiting up to 3 hours to check in. It was a bit of extra frustration because it was more or less the same stuff we had all already done online. I was confused about the entire thing because I entered my vax stuff and passport info and all using the Bermuda provided website and was given a "green" clearance to enter Bermuda. My understanding is that people were asked to wear masks during the entire wait. Then fill out another form, then sit with the immigration official. I got lucky. When I arrived to do this about 30 minutes before they closed I was one of about 3 guys there, so no wait for me. Just took a few minutes.

All that said, everyone else managed to wait in line without throwing a temper fit. Ultimately it's their country, and if we want to enter we need to follow their rules.

As to rule 69... Not that long ago a group of pro sailors arrived in Newport, went out, got drunk, interfered with a fire crew when an alarm was pulled, literally brawled with police officers on public streets sending several people to the hospital (for minor injuries) and when I suggested Rule 69 applied I was thoroughly skewered by truly obnoxious posters on this board. This guy threw a temper fit and knocked a table over. No one was hurt, nothing was damaged. He has already been banned from ever entering Bermuda. No need to keep beating this horse.
Any way to ban him from the USA too?
I had an inlaw that was pretty much like this guy. He proudly and loudly defied every Covid rule he could.
He doesn't act up now, he's dead.
 

kent_island_sailor

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Certainly it is - who want's to die? It just shoudn't be the primary issue. Sailing is inherently dangerous, and being on the ocean is one of the few things you can still do to actually exercise your courage (not that it's dangerous most of the time).

For the last few years, I've found engaging with the safety-focused to be rather taxing and I got pretty good at avoiding them. I really didn't expect to bump into them at an offshore sailing event. Ahh well...

another great video essay for those that might be interested:


You were a guest and took a shit on the carpet. No more, no less. No one is interested in your videos, go post them in PA.
 

nolatom

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Certainly it is - who want's to die? It just shoudn't be the primary issue. Sailing is inherently dangerous, and being on the ocean is one of the few things you can still do to actually exercise your courage (not that it's dangerous most of the time).

For the last few years, I've found engaging with the safety-focused to be rather taxing and I got pretty good at avoiding them. I really didn't expect to bump into them at an offshore sailing event. Ahh well...

another great video essay for those that might be interested:



So, you turned the poor conforming table and signs into nonconforming heroic icons. Way to go, Ayn Rand would be so proud.
 

shubrook

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I’m impressed you did the race even after all this. Did the border control recant?
Alas I did not do the race. The boat I was on did, though. No matter how this all ends up, at minimum i'll give the next few NBR's a pass. The thread has been.. well.. it's been SA... but it's also been pretty informative.
 

M@AYC

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The next few? you're never going to sail a NBR, and you will never step foot on the island of Bermuda. Muppet
 

Expat Canuck

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Certainly it is - who want's to die? It just shoudn't be the primary issue. Sailing is inherently dangerous, and being on the ocean is one of the few things you can still do to actually exercise your courage (not that it's dangerous most of the time).

For the last few years, I've found engaging with the safety-focused to be rather taxing and I got pretty good at avoiding them. I really didn't expect to bump into them at an offshore sailing event. Ahh well...

another great video essay for those that might be interested:



Let me guess... you're that guy who always ignores the Owner's request to wear your new crew shirt for a specific day or event to look good for the photos. You also are the last to pay for your shirt, and only after numerous email reminders.
I'll bet you're a great team player!
 



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