What's at stake with NBR Misconduct rule 69?

Grande Mastere Dreade

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Well golly, the sensitivity of some of these socks. Must have been putting their feet in their mouth for so long, they simply have bitten off more than they can chew.

Data extracted from Healthdata.gov Funny how the uber vaxxed are showing the highest rates of cases. It's almost like they were sensitized to the newest variants. And golly, those Benighted Trump voters at half the rate of cases...

You could look it up, but it would refute your confirmation bias. So good luck you Blue staters, you've poisoned yourselves, and now you get to have the backside of the poorly thought out narrow focused ineffective vaccine for which you can not seek redress...


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misleading data...
the states where the higher percentage of people vaccinated probably has a higher rate of testing also..

then cases per million, states like Wyoming probably have a million people to begin with , spread out more, are not really urbanized.. thus less likely chance to catch covid...
 

Marty Gingras

Mid-range Anarchist
As stated ad nauseam, the vaccine was never intended to prevent cases, it was intended to prevent death. See also:
So the non-readers can see w/o clicking:


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12 metre

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As stated ad nauseam, the vaccine was never intended to prevent cases, it was intended to prevent death. See also:
I don't recall that being the case. Initially, all that seemed to be discussed was the efficacy of the various vaccines. In this 2021 item: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/what-is-vaccine-efficacy they define it as:

"This is called vaccine efficacy. For example, Pfizer/BioNTech reported an efficacy of 95% for the COVID-19 vaccine. This means a 95% reduction in new cases of the disease in the vaccine group compared with the placebo group."

Granted it was early days prior to Delta and subsequent variants, but it seemed to be imply that if enough people were vaccinated, this would be the end of the pandemic due to acquired herd immunity.
 

a8b

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I don't recall that being the case. Initially, all that seemed to be discussed was the efficacy of the various vaccines. In this 2021 item: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/what-is-vaccine-efficacy they define it as:

"This is called vaccine efficacy. For example, Pfizer/BioNTech reported an efficacy of 95% for the COVID-19 vaccine. This means a 95% reduction in new cases of the disease in the vaccine group compared with the placebo group."

Granted it was early days prior to Delta and subsequent variants, but it seemed to be imply that if enough people were vaccinated, this would be the end of the pandemic due to acquired herd immunity.
What does "disease" mean?
You can be infected and spread the virus, and have not gotten the disease.
The disease is COVID-19, which is the group of side effects some portion of people get from an infection of SARS-COV-2.

Disease has different definitions, depending on what exactly you are measuring.
Which brings up an interesting question:

Is America a reflection of an orange dog - or is an orange dog a reflection of America?
I think an orange dog is the expected and anticipated product of modern team red.
 
The one conclusion I draw from this thread is that
@shubrook and @a8b are cut from the same cloth.
They sound and act the same.
They are both convinced that they are right and have no interest in listening to anyone that does not agree with them.
They have short fuses and easily lose their tempers. One throws tables over. The other descends into incoherent diatribes of venom and hate.
My guess is that if @a8b came across one of the approx 48% of race officials who voted for Trump, he would be equally as likely to breach rule 69 as @shubrook

It is as if they started in the same place on the globe. One started walking left. The other started walking right. They kept on walking as they got more and more extreme until they met in the middle in a very dark place on the far side of the globe.

National Socialists became Fascists
The workers party and Communism became Stalinism

History has taught us that political extremes on the left and right share a common intolerance and eventually morph into the same thing.
 

Israel Hands

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@a8b's on-line persona is rude, crude, and socially unacceptable but correct.
The point I was trying to make yesterday was that if you come across as rude, infantile, and without the faintest ability at subtlety or humor then no one wants to agree with you. It's like the prosecutor who over-scorches a defendant with accusations and sarcasm to the point that the jury even starts to feel sorry for the defendant.

I tried to use Lioness as an example of someone who maybe wasn't as nutty as the flame-throwing @a8b was accusing all the Covid-deniers of being. But of course then Lioness had to go and blow it for himself by posting his silly graph and sticking up for the Ivermectin crowd. :rolleyes:
 

a8b

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Data extracted from Healthdata.gov Funny how the uber vaxxed are showing the highest rates of cases.
Remember when Fuckface von Clownstick decided this virus would kill blue staters, so did not do much about it?

Because, due to density of population, it inherently has more potential for infection/cases in denser populated (blue) states.
But even your shit graph does not actually show that. Because all your shit is shit.
It's almost like they were sensitized to the newest variants. And golly, those Benighted Trump voters at half the rate of cases...
Well, your data is bullshit, but also, in all the red states, testing is provably lower and inaccurate, which biases your chart of shit.

I will note the data fuckery, by taking the rates during the lows of infection, which fundamentally favors red states (low population density).
During the peaks last winter we saw red state infection rates way higher than blue states at a far higher confidence. And higher rates of hospitalizations and higher rates of death.

Remember that red state guy who had a cardiac event and had to drive 10h in an ambulance because all the hospitals were full of covid patients and he died?

But you are a liar and it is expected you would not tell the truth.
You could look it up, but it would refute your confirmation bias.
What are you saying is confirmation bias?
And how have you de-factored the effects of your own confirmation bias?

Or is your confirmation bias holy, and mine evil?
So good luck you Blue staters, you've poisoned yourselves, and now you get to have the backside of the poorly thought out narrow focused ineffective vaccine for which you can not seek redress...
These mRNA vaccines are literally the most amazing vaccines ever.
No heavy metal adjuvants. Broad responses. The boosters are just another dose of the original.
No safety signals. Billions of doses and zero deaths. Very very low side effects. That is unheard of.

But your argument is shit.
You are saying people got infected, because they got vaccinated.
If you want to argue ADE, your argument should be that vaccinated people infected get sicker, which you cannot do, because the data shows the opposite. Severity of infections in red states are worse. Death rates are worse. Reinfection rates are worse.
And this should be a death knell of this theory.


But it wont be. Because once a Republican knows a thing, they know it forever.
 
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