Charlie Foxtrot
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Hmm... at 4.4 miles, 1 MOA would have been approximately 6 1/2 feet (Rifleman's MOA). Wholly Sheet!
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Hmm... at 4.4 miles, 1 MOA would have been approximately 6 1/2 feet (Rifleman's MOA). Wholly Sheet!
slug zitski
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If you like your air gun visit Puerto Rico..since guns are illegal hunters use air guns for hunting .
quite sophisticated air rifles
Hunting iguanas is a national sport
Hunting Iguanas in the Puerto Rican Jungle
In Puerto Rico, where invasive iguanas are causing millions in damage, some hunters have declared open season on the reptiles.
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Liquid
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I'm 210 into a 90-100 day turn around for a quieter.
The eform system isn't an automated, AI, algo driven approval system. The big advance was moving from paper to email...
Vgree
Super Anarchist
If you efile for form 1s they are much faster. Form 1s are "manufacturing" a new SBR or SBS. Those both took less than 30 days.
Now, my two suppressors are coming up on 200 days in the ATF jail.
Now, my two suppressors are coming up on 200 days in the ATF jail.
Mike in Seattle
Super Anarchist
Form 4 efiled by FFL,
electronic passport pic and prints
200 days in jail.
, and I have seriously considered putting the Daisy Red Ryder logo on the front of an EBR.
, might just do it yet.
electronic passport pic and prints
200 days in jail.
, and I have seriously considered putting the Daisy Red Ryder logo on the front of an EBR.
, might just do it yet.
sledracr
Super Anarchist
Yeah. I don't have details of the ballistics (and the ballistic calculator I use won't calculate past 4000 yards) but just for sake of argument.... a 408 Chey-tach solid leaving at 3000fps is going to drop over 300 MOA (nearly 1100 feet) at 4000 yards.
Proneshooter
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If it takes 69 shots to hit a target it really means it took that many to not miss. Golden BB anyone?
Virgulino Ferreira
Super Anarchist
Liquid
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Somehow a suppressor is the scary, more regulated, dangerous part than a high caliber, concealable SBR?
Vgree
Super Anarchist
Apparently so, and I already own multiple of each. It would seem that after the first one it should be instant. But, instead I must ask permission from big brother to own something that shouldn't be regulated anyways.
silent bob
Super Anarchist
Nice!
My “Free” Rem 870. The bare bones 870 was free. All the other equipment was $600. But, I'm really happy with how it turned out!
chinabald
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We used to use one to kill carpenter ants in the garage. Drove by the old house recently and the garage is gone. Probably should have told our mom about the ants. A more complete solution was probably needed. But shooting them was fun.
chinabald
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What do you mean by a tax stamp? What about a pump shotgun needs such a thing
Vgree
Super Anarchist
To put a barrel shorter than 18 inches on a shotgun you have to file for a tax stamp to create a "short barreled shotgun".
I'll be honest I think it is complete crap that I have to ask permission from the ATF to do it, but I follow the law and paid $200.
dog of war
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The beer can mod dose work but only really if you are in a static position... Not real effective running and gunning in the jungle
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dog of war
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Loved the M2 we used to say the M60 ran like a 2 stroke Yamaha and the M2 like a trusty Harley-Davidson
There’s a big difference between what you can do with a general-purpose machine gun and a .50 cal like "Ma Deuce". They're an entirely different class of weapon. They can't be used in the same way, they have entirely different characteristics, it's like comparing a handgun to a battle rifle.
The M60 is a general purpose machine gun. General-purpose machine guns like the M60 are infantry squad weapons, easy to carry but with limited range and punch. Such a GPMG is effective against soft targets (infantry or vehicles without armor) in distances up to 700 meters. Though it can be vehicle mounted, it was typically as a squad automatic weapon, carried and operated by one man, usually with an assistant who packs additional ammunition. It uses full power rifle rounds and weighs 23 pounds.
The M2 is a heavy machine gun. It cannot be used as a squad automatic weapon, because it's far too heavy and can't be shoulder fired. They are usually mounted in fixed positions or on vehicles, and require a team minimum to be operated by infantry. It is not an individual weapon like the M60. There's good reason for this- it weighs 127 pounds with its tripod. It fires high powered .50 BMG rounds, which are nearly 6 times more powerful than the full power 7.62x51 fired by the M60, and as such, the ammo weighs a lot more, again greatly restricting its use as an infantry weapon.
When used in a vehicle, the M60 allows a greater volume of fire, and is thus better against infantry in the open, but has inferior barrier penetration and vehicle destruction. The M2 is much more effective against hard targets. Again, they're two different roles.
They aren't comparable. Not at all. They're entirely different classes of weapons with entirely different roles. Both being machine guns, they may appear similar to the layman, but the reality as that the similarities end at both being belt fed machine guns.
The M60 is a general purpose machine gun. General-purpose machine guns like the M60 are infantry squad weapons, easy to carry but with limited range and punch. Such a GPMG is effective against soft targets (infantry or vehicles without armor) in distances up to 700 meters. Though it can be vehicle mounted, it was typically as a squad automatic weapon, carried and operated by one man, usually with an assistant who packs additional ammunition. It uses full power rifle rounds and weighs 23 pounds.
The M2 is a heavy machine gun. It cannot be used as a squad automatic weapon, because it's far too heavy and can't be shoulder fired. They are usually mounted in fixed positions or on vehicles, and require a team minimum to be operated by infantry. It is not an individual weapon like the M60. There's good reason for this- it weighs 127 pounds with its tripod. It fires high powered .50 BMG rounds, which are nearly 6 times more powerful than the full power 7.62x51 fired by the M60, and as such, the ammo weighs a lot more, again greatly restricting its use as an infantry weapon.
When used in a vehicle, the M60 allows a greater volume of fire, and is thus better against infantry in the open, but has inferior barrier penetration and vehicle destruction. The M2 is much more effective against hard targets. Again, they're two different roles.
They aren't comparable. Not at all. They're entirely different classes of weapons with entirely different roles. Both being machine guns, they may appear similar to the layman, but the reality as that the similarities end at both being belt fed machine guns.
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