warbird
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I recently purchased the CZ 75 P01. The trigger does take some getting accustom to but is very accurate. It cost only a little more than the "Plastic" 9mms and is a very nice shooter.
What's in your arsenal??
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Charlie Foxtrot
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@warbird, niiiiiice!
I'm very interested in your thoughts and experiences with the CZ P-01.
I'm considering plunking down the Bengy's for the P-01 (or P-07) because: 1) I've become a yuge fanboi of CZ, and; 2) I'm considering changing to appendix carry. The relatively long/ heavy double-action trigger and external hammer will go a looooong way in keeping me from shooting my junk off.
PS: You might look at aftermarket grips. I put a pair of LOK Thin Bogies on my 75, and found the shooting experience much improved. The CZ comes with plastic grips that are not particularly grippy and pretty round. Even though I've got (ahem) X-Large hands, I prefer a thinner, and especially, a flat grip. The G-10 Thin Bogies work admirably. The CZ cosignatori consider the LOK grips to be the ones to get.
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tybee
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somewhere around here, I have one of the old "shotgun pump" style daisy BB guns.
if you simple held the trigger closed, the gun will shoot every time the pump is cycled.
a big advantage in the BB gun wars we had back in the day...
Point Break
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What’s a dirty gun?
sledracr
Super Anarchist
+1 on LOK grips. I switched my competition single-stacks to their G10 Bogies last season and love them. Highly recommend.
Charlie Foxtrot
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Sled, a bunch of the CZ Mafia are strongly recommending skateboard tape fore and aft on the metal grip, with the edges hidden under the stocks.
What say ye?
giegs
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The trigger breaks in very well. You can about double what you paid if you go for a full trigger upgrade and the reach reduction kits are a significant improvement imo. Thinner G10 or alu grips are a big step up from the palm swell of the stock rubberized ones. Mec Gar mags are just as good and cheaper than OEM.
sledracr
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If *not* for competition, I say whatever feels good. Give it a try and see if you like it.
If it is for competition, it depends on the rule-set. Some games have pretty strict rules about where there can be grip-tape. IPSC, for example, has some pretty strict guidelnes for where you can add tape.
For me... texture on the front and back of the grip doesn't do much for me. I like a sharp texture on the sides, and don't really pay a lot of attention to the front and back.
Charlie Foxtrot
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I'll step in for warbird, if I may.
The "dirt" from firearms comes from the combustion of the gunpowder and primers. The dirt is really soot and ash. Revolvers are "dirty" because of the cylinder gap, the very small area between the cylinder and the barrel that allows the cylinder to turn. When fired, a jet of hot gases blows out of the gap and coats the front of the cylinder, the underside of the barrel and all sorts of other stuff. (The first guy to mention a Nagant M-1895 gets slapped.) A semi-auto pistol doesn't have a cylinder gap, so all (okay, most) of the gunpowder residue goes out the muzzle.
So revolvers do get dirtier. No big thang, as a bit of Hoppes and a rag will take care of things very easily.
BTW: you are going to want to keep your hands away from the cylinder gap. That jet of hot gas can cut flesh.
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Point Break
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Thanks!
All our Marine Gunnery Sergeants and Armorers in training said, revolvers were better and more reliable in dirty working conditon/s. Semi-auto are typically the better choice for suburban and in-home use and, when cared for and kept clean, are the favored choice in combat zones. Revolvers are the better option when sand, dust, and involuntary neglect add up to an environment that may challenge a semi-auto’s reliability. They are just more reliable in very dirty conditions. Also, revolvers tend to be chambered for more powerful cartridges, sometimes much more powerful, than semi-autos.
Since revolvers don’t depend on harnessing the energy of a cartridge to function, like semi-autos do, there’s just one less thing to go wrong. Squib loads, dud primers, a tight cartridge too stubborn to chamber easily - none of these affect revolvers. Additionally, since human muscle works a revolver’s action, bits of sand, lint, dust, or fouling that would choke a semi-auto can be overcome by, well, a little more muscle.
The magnum cartridges frequently chambered in revolvers can offer quite an advantage for rural use, too. They provide more downrange reach, more downrange energy, and typically a great deal more penetration.
Revolvers are slower to reload. With practice and a good speedloader or moon clip, a good revolver man can get back into action pretty quickly. But, speedloaders and moon clips are awkward to carry, and it takes good training to achieve speed and surety.
Revolvers have the appealing virtue of simplicity. Neophyte shooters intuitively grasp how they function, and the lack of slides, slide stops, magazine releases, decockers, and safeties of various flavors is attractive. Many women opt to carry a compact revolver for that simplicity, frequently compounded by the fact that petite women sometimes struggle to pull back a semi-auto pistol’s slide in order to chamber a cartridge.
The revolver has only a few drawbacks as a prime personal protection sidearm. They have limited capacity, they are slow to reload, and the cartridges for which they are chambered are often overpowered for city and in-home use. With the correct ammunition and some quality practice-time manipulating the gun, a revolver will do anything the petite lady ever needs it to.
Today, as far and away the most popular type of sidearm for personal protection, the semi-auto’s primary attractions are high capacity and excellent rapid-fire capability. With correct maintenance and quality ammunition, good semi-autos are very reliable, too.
I grew up using revolvers. No one I knew owned a semi-auto because prevailing opinion was that they couldn’t cut the mustard in the country and dirty conditions. However, I learned long ago - a good semi-auto can take an awful lot of abuse and still function reliably.
When I first started carrying a semi-auto a Colt 1911 .45 ACP it wasn’t for high capacity, it was for the rapid-fire characteristic. The Colt didn’t really offer much in the way of additional round count - my surplus G.I. magazines were seven-rounders. Heck, my single-action .44 magnum held six. But I couldn’t shoot a single-action as quickly as a semi-auto, and though I could hose rounds downrange pretty quickly out of a double-action, I still couldn’t shoot it fast nearly as accurately as my 1911.
Speed is one of the most important advantages that a semi-auto offers the average person. Sure, there are revolver shooters who can shoot faster and more accurately than 99 percent of the semi-auto shooters out there, but the reality is that, for most folks, semi-autos are a little easier to shoot fast than revolvers.
Throw in high capacity, and you’ve got a very supportable argument that the semi-auto makes a better personal protection gun than does a revolver. Truth is, most of today’s popular designs hold more cartridges than a wheelgun, usually a lot more. Even a modern magazine in a .45-caliber 1911 holds eight rounds, plus one in the chamber. That’s a total of nine, for a 50-percent increase on the capacity of most revolvers. Throw in high-capacity semi-auto handguns, all of which contain 17+1 to 19+1 rounds in the magazine, and you’ve got three times the capacity of a revolver. Three times! Add a couple of easy-to-carry magazines in innocent-looking belt sheaths, and you can comfortably carry over 50 rounds on your person.
In regards to dirty guns, semi-autos do have some drawbacks. They are clean freaks. They are also picky about subpar ammo. Whereas a revolver will accept anything that fits properly into a cylinder chamber and will dutifully fire it downrange, a semi-auto must have cartridges with the correct bullet nose geometry for reliable feeding, enough propellant to fully function the slide but not so much that it batters the internal mechanics, correct case length for proper headspacing… all this within spec so that it flows into the chamber and out again without hanging up in a gun powered purely by energy harnessed from the explosion of the cartridge itself.
The very magazines that provide high-capacity firepower can - if lost or damaged - cripple a semi-auto and, in essence, turn it into a single-shot. Or worse, incapacitate it completely if it’s one of the models with a magazine disconnect safety that prevents it from firing unless a magazine is inserted. These days, we take magazines pretty lightly, as most of us have a spare or several. But in the early days of semi-autos, folks considered the potential more gravely. Many early models - especially those of European design - didn’t allow magazines to fall freely when released; this influence extended up through the first-generation Glocks.
Limited energy and penetration are another characteristic of shots fired from most semi-auto handguns. In many scenarios, limited penetration is an advantage. A 9mm hollow-point projectile though it has very good penetration in gel, is much less likely to penetrate through walls than a classic soft-point .357 Magnum projectile. So it does limit a semi-auto’s suitability for certain tasks.
However, we’re discussing personal protection firearms here, and none of the above semi-auto drawbacks really apply. Shoot quality ammunition, and purchase plenty of magazines and keep track of them diligently. As long as you attend to those two details, a good semi-auto makes more sense than a revolver most of the time.
Revolver vs Semi-auto
Since revolvers don’t depend on harnessing the energy of a cartridge to function, like semi-autos do, there’s just one less thing to go wrong. Squib loads, dud primers, a tight cartridge too stubborn to chamber easily - none of these affect revolvers. Additionally, since human muscle works a revolver’s action, bits of sand, lint, dust, or fouling that would choke a semi-auto can be overcome by, well, a little more muscle.
The magnum cartridges frequently chambered in revolvers can offer quite an advantage for rural use, too. They provide more downrange reach, more downrange energy, and typically a great deal more penetration.
Revolvers are slower to reload. With practice and a good speedloader or moon clip, a good revolver man can get back into action pretty quickly. But, speedloaders and moon clips are awkward to carry, and it takes good training to achieve speed and surety.
Revolvers have the appealing virtue of simplicity. Neophyte shooters intuitively grasp how they function, and the lack of slides, slide stops, magazine releases, decockers, and safeties of various flavors is attractive. Many women opt to carry a compact revolver for that simplicity, frequently compounded by the fact that petite women sometimes struggle to pull back a semi-auto pistol’s slide in order to chamber a cartridge.
The revolver has only a few drawbacks as a prime personal protection sidearm. They have limited capacity, they are slow to reload, and the cartridges for which they are chambered are often overpowered for city and in-home use. With the correct ammunition and some quality practice-time manipulating the gun, a revolver will do anything the petite lady ever needs it to.
Today, as far and away the most popular type of sidearm for personal protection, the semi-auto’s primary attractions are high capacity and excellent rapid-fire capability. With correct maintenance and quality ammunition, good semi-autos are very reliable, too.
I grew up using revolvers. No one I knew owned a semi-auto because prevailing opinion was that they couldn’t cut the mustard in the country and dirty conditions. However, I learned long ago - a good semi-auto can take an awful lot of abuse and still function reliably.
When I first started carrying a semi-auto a Colt 1911 .45 ACP it wasn’t for high capacity, it was for the rapid-fire characteristic. The Colt didn’t really offer much in the way of additional round count - my surplus G.I. magazines were seven-rounders. Heck, my single-action .44 magnum held six. But I couldn’t shoot a single-action as quickly as a semi-auto, and though I could hose rounds downrange pretty quickly out of a double-action, I still couldn’t shoot it fast nearly as accurately as my 1911.
Speed is one of the most important advantages that a semi-auto offers the average person. Sure, there are revolver shooters who can shoot faster and more accurately than 99 percent of the semi-auto shooters out there, but the reality is that, for most folks, semi-autos are a little easier to shoot fast than revolvers.
Throw in high capacity, and you’ve got a very supportable argument that the semi-auto makes a better personal protection gun than does a revolver. Truth is, most of today’s popular designs hold more cartridges than a wheelgun, usually a lot more. Even a modern magazine in a .45-caliber 1911 holds eight rounds, plus one in the chamber. That’s a total of nine, for a 50-percent increase on the capacity of most revolvers. Throw in high-capacity semi-auto handguns, all of which contain 17+1 to 19+1 rounds in the magazine, and you’ve got three times the capacity of a revolver. Three times! Add a couple of easy-to-carry magazines in innocent-looking belt sheaths, and you can comfortably carry over 50 rounds on your person.
In regards to dirty guns, semi-autos do have some drawbacks. They are clean freaks. They are also picky about subpar ammo. Whereas a revolver will accept anything that fits properly into a cylinder chamber and will dutifully fire it downrange, a semi-auto must have cartridges with the correct bullet nose geometry for reliable feeding, enough propellant to fully function the slide but not so much that it batters the internal mechanics, correct case length for proper headspacing… all this within spec so that it flows into the chamber and out again without hanging up in a gun powered purely by energy harnessed from the explosion of the cartridge itself.
The very magazines that provide high-capacity firepower can - if lost or damaged - cripple a semi-auto and, in essence, turn it into a single-shot. Or worse, incapacitate it completely if it’s one of the models with a magazine disconnect safety that prevents it from firing unless a magazine is inserted. These days, we take magazines pretty lightly, as most of us have a spare or several. But in the early days of semi-autos, folks considered the potential more gravely. Many early models - especially those of European design - didn’t allow magazines to fall freely when released; this influence extended up through the first-generation Glocks.
Limited energy and penetration are another characteristic of shots fired from most semi-auto handguns. In many scenarios, limited penetration is an advantage. A 9mm hollow-point projectile though it has very good penetration in gel, is much less likely to penetrate through walls than a classic soft-point .357 Magnum projectile. So it does limit a semi-auto’s suitability for certain tasks.
However, we’re discussing personal protection firearms here, and none of the above semi-auto drawbacks really apply. Shoot quality ammunition, and purchase plenty of magazines and keep track of them diligently. As long as you attend to those two details, a good semi-auto makes more sense than a revolver most of the time.
Revolver vs Semi-auto
A pump action shotgun works well. Pistols are for dead men.
warbird
Super Anarchist
The gap between the revolver drum and the barrel leaks some propellent around the front of the drum and leaves GSR on the gun. No biggy, you clean the weapon after shooting anyway.
A favorite of mine as well. My wife and I have a couple, a CZ 75 and a CZ 75 Shadow 2. Indeed very reliable and very accurate. Just an all around sweet gun. My review of the CZ75 earlier in this thread.
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warbird
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Sorry, I have only shot the CZ75 P01 30-50 rounds and I cannot offer any input on grips. The as delivered configuration works well enough so far. My trigger finger (right) was severed and reattached 40 years ago so my input on feel and action is suspect. As an aside, I took the newly purchased CZ to my brother's range the day I bought it. First 2 10round magazine loads I score 9/10 and brother scored 1/10 at 40feet. Cheers
sledracr
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<lol> I have a friend (retired Ranger Lt. Col) who says "a pistol is what you use if you have to fight your way to a rifle."
Correct, pistols offer more versatility, capacity, maneuverability and are lightweight, accurate and concealable. Pistol is best for home defense, self defense and concealed carry. Shotgun because of their spread pattern, for those not well versed in firearms, can be used for home defense and in close contact combat situations.
We do have several auto and pump shotguns, but I wouldn't recommend them for the fairer sex, though a 12 gauge pump is beside Linda's bed along with several double action revolvers. A double action .38 or .357 magnum is always the first firearm she grabs when needed. She also keeps several double action revolvers in the kitchen and elsewhere when needed.
The pistol-caliber carbine is a good all-around choice for anyone who needs a firearm for home- and personal-defense purposes. It is a viable option for the one-gun family and has the benefits of both a handgun and a rifle, and they're quite accurate, especially in the little lady's hand.
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warbird
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I acquired this CZ75 on recomendation from a motorcycle site after casually shopping. I am very pleased with it but I do not have vast experience. I have shot my Savage Arms 1907 .32 ACP a fair amount (30-40 rounds a year
) so my thoughts and impressions have little weight, lacking a lot of experience or background.The mods done on my wifes CZ 75 P01 as follows, makes a much better handling and shooting gun.I acquired this CZ75 on recomendation from a motorcycle site after casually shopping. I am very pleased with it but I do not have vast experience. I have shot my Savage Arms 1907 .32 ACP a fair amount (30-40 rounds a year
A common complaint about CZ pistols and their clones is working the slide. My wife didn't like the low slide profile at first, till I did some mods. However I don't have a problem racking the slide. I think this is an overblown issue. When I first started shooting CZs I didn’t even think about. Still don’t. Shoot the gun, dry fire and one will adapt without realizing it.
The CZ slide rides inside the frame rails and bore axis is a bit on the low side. That’s great for minimizing felt recoil, but, yes there’s less real estate to grab onto in order to rack it. Most people grip the slide serrations. It makes sense because that’s what they’re there for! However, the older designs of CZ pistols tend to have relatively small slide serrations in terms of width, depth and height; they’re small and very fine, which means they can be harder to get a good grip on.
For my wife the struggle was real with her CZ 75 P-01, even using the super easy (for me) quick push/pull method with the overhand grip of the top hand to rack the slide. This puts the thumb and knuckle at the rear of the slide, and as you rack it forces the grip to tighten. This works every time for me, but still difficult for her. So till I reworked the gun for her, I had her practice using the double action for the first shot, which actuates the slide, with no racking required. Works every time.
Still I wanted her to be able to rack her CZ. So despite not wanting to redo her new CZ - I balanced new springs and put all-new Cajun internals (disco, 85C trigger, flat race hammer, floating trigger pin, lowered lifter, longer firing pin, etc.) and polished everything (rails, trigger bar, sear, sear cage, etc.). Her springs are: reduced power firing pin spring/lifter spring/trigger spring, 11# hammer spring, 11# recoil spring. Trigger pull is about 4#s. Smooth as butter and much easier for her, and she can now rack her CZ quite easily.
Training is important.I acquired this CZ75 on recomendation from a motorcycle site after casually shopping. I am very pleased with it but I do not have vast experience. I have shot my Savage Arms 1907 .32 ACP a fair amount (30-40 rounds a year
Intent and planning is important.
I expect anyone who walks in with bad intent will lose their life.
I do not expect a long gun fight.
I did have a case with a guy who died in his bed with his gun by his side. His dogs and alarms did not stop a Gdam thing.
