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Sheeesh, what's with all the pop-ups? The Seabees expecting to go to war in the shade?

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We never used pop-ups when I was in, either at the Broom Ranch or at Expeditionary Forces Training Center. It's a kinder, gentler military training for both the Marines and Seabees since Marines died at both Parris Island and Expeditionary Forces Training at Camp Pendleton last year, while they review and restructure training. In training they have to go through what's known as "The Crucible", a grueling 54-hour test combining physical, mental and moral training. In both cases hyperthermia did them in, due to extreme body temperature.

Actually I think the pop-ups would allow for longer and better training and qualifying at Fort Hunter Ligget, where the temps are generally 80+° F six months a year. The other half the year it rains, similar to monsoon rains. So yeah pop-ups look as if they could improve training.

We had to march out to training also wearing our fatigue coats, despite any heat, often - also sometimes having to wear our packs, to make sure we were getting heated up. The only pop-ups I do recall, were for the cooks, so they didn't have to slave in the heat while using gas fired ovens and stoves, a practice they still do today.


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dropped by the local Academy Sports, walked past the gun area... wow they had shelves of ammo.. couple of years ago those shelves were pretty much empty... no fancy defense rounds but basic FMJ at less than .50 a round in 9mm ... hell they even had a couple of brands of 10mm

got to love texas... you can get a flame thrower here..

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Pandemic shooting was stupid expensive, like $.70+/9mm rd. Currently, on the shelves near me basic 9mm is about $.40/rd. Fancy heavy, hollow point, SD rounds are closer to $1/rd.

I got some bulk 22LR FMJ for about $.07/rd!
 

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dropped by the local Academy Sports, walked past the gun area... wow they had shelves of ammo.. couple of years ago those shelves were pretty much empty... no fancy defense rounds but basic FMJ at less than .50 a round in 9mm ... hell they even had a couple of brands of 10mm
Yeah… “a couple of years ago “ was The Summer of Love
When we watched dozens of Democrat cities burn, police gunned down and the police ordered to stand down…. Hell yes the public was buying guns and ammunition.
Thank God things are back to normal and the shelves are full of any kind of gun and ammunition a person could possibly think of.
 

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Since the Broome Ranch behind Point Mugo NavAirSta is no longer the live fire training center for Seabees in Port Hueneme - and is now residential housing. They go through the live fire portion of crew-served weapons training at U.S. Garrison Fort Hunter Liggett. NMCB 5 my old Battalion going through, crew-served weapons training.

Where did you go through your crew-served weapons training?
The desert east of MCAS Yuma
 

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Yes I've read all about him, and reviewed his bio last year. He didn't have a pleasant out in the end. BTW he used the standard sniper rifle in use then, a WInchester Model 70 heavy barrel 30-06 with a standard 8x Unertl scope, for his record shot, not the 50 Cal. His backup everyday carry sniper rifle was the M40 Remington 700 chambered in .308 with a Redfield 3-9x - The 50 Cal he used on a few occassions - but his main go to was the Model 70 heavy 30-06, then the M40 Remington 700 .308 which he carried on his second tour, when he was in county[Vietnam]....I
I sent the link to the thread to an older friend of mine who was in the marines back in the day and, after he stopped cursing, he wrote:

Ah, Hill 55. Steven Hunter got rich on old Gunny Hathcock. Chuck Mawhinney was working up there when I left. Not nearly as much press, but actually stacked up more than the Gunny. Difference was that Hathcock worked in daylight, with a wood stock, Rem. .30-'06, and Mawhinney use to park his ass on the river crossing, south of the hill, mostly at night, with a tricked-up M-14, with a primitive old Starlight scope. He's the guy who bushwacked an NVA company, neck deep in the Cau Do River. (Bob the Nailer) Army set a bunch of records at night with a Starlight, but they were shooting green shapes, & taking off. could have been some old lady going outside to piss.
OK, so you're a grunt. You have to do this shit every day. You saddle up to go out, and the shooters show up, and tag along, so they don't get smoked on the way. You set up your O.P, or bushwack, and the shooters wander off, find a target and shoot. this usually pisses off the targets' buds, so the shooters get chased, & run right back to where you're set up, and then everybody has got to flee, while carrying a ton of gear. If it was a real bad area, they would often just pack up and go home. Makes good press, in Stars & Stripes, but we had little use for those fuckers.
 

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USMC. Don’t have no Airborne training, the Army provides that for the other services which require a few specialized troops with the need to jump out of aircraft. The Navy Seals go through the same airborne qualification as the regular Army Airborne cook
 

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I sent the link to the thread to an older friend of mine who was in the marines back in the day and, after he stopped cursing, he wrote:

Ah, Hill 55. Steven Hunter got rich on old Gunny Hathcock. Chuck Mawhinney was working up there when I left. Not nearly as much press, but actually stacked up more than the Gunny. Difference was that Hathcock worked in daylight, with a wood stock, Rem. .30-'06, and Mawhinney use to park his ass on the river crossing, south of the hill, mostly at night, with a tricked-up M-14, with a primitive old Starlight scope. He's the guy who bushwacked an NVA company, neck deep in the Cau Do River. (Bob the Nailer) Army set a bunch of records at night with a Starlight, but they were shooting green shapes, & taking off. could have been some old lady going outside to piss.
OK, so you're a grunt. You have to do this shit every day. You saddle up to go out, and the shooters show up, and tag along, so they don't get smoked on the way. You set up your O.P, or bushwack, and the shooters wander off, find a target and shoot. this usually pisses off the targets' buds, so the shooters get chased, & run right back to where you're set up, and then everybody has got to flee, while carrying a ton of gear. If it was a real bad area, they would often just pack up and go home. Makes good press, in Stars & Stripes, but we had little use for those fuckers.
Sounds like your friend's memory, or dates is a bit foggy. Some snipers indeed used the M14. Some Marines indeed were scornful of being coupled with a Sniper Team. Many snipers including Hathcock preferred to work with just their spotter. Charles "Chuck" Mawhinney, Eric England, and Carlos Hathcock had almost 300 confirmed kills combined and even more unconfirmed. They were masters of their craft, and their skills in battle, as well as their silent professionalism and humility, made these men examples for the Marine snipers that followed. I certainly won't downgrade them for what they did.

M14s were still used by some battalions early on in the conflict. The M14 was the last American battle rifle issued in quantity to U.S. military personnel. In 1967, it was officially replaced by the M16. The only battalions to carry M14s rather then the M16, were a few Seabee Battalions, all Marine battalions used the M16s. The M14 remains in use in the military in several variants as a sniper or marksman rifle, as accurized competition weapons or ceremonial weapons. The M14 served as basis later for several sniper weapons, including the M21 and M25, both were replaced by the M24 sniper weapon system. The newest variant is the M14 enhanced battle rifle created about 2002, United States Navy SEALs were the first to be armed with the EBR in 2004, followed by the Coast Guard. The US Army had a EBR-RI created about 2010. The Marines considered the EBR, but wound up created the M39 enhanced marksman rifle.

AFAIK all sniper rifles back then were wood stock, I never mentioned a composite or wood stock in the above post. Hathcock used the M40 Remington 700 .308 which he carried on his second tour. Snipers never work alone. They work as a member of a team that has a spotter as well.

If an enemy sniper spots a sniper and his spotter, who does he shoot first? If this is an uneducated insurgent, they may go for the spotter, however, this is a mistake. You always go for the armed man. The sniper is trained, and can kill you at the click of his trigger. What most stories don't tell - Spotters are generally the more experienced snipers. They assign objects a certain number of yards, so a tree or object may be around three hundred feet away, so they may point that out the the sniper, and say ‘that’s our hundred yard mark.’

On crosshairs, each ‘bead’ below represents a certain number of yards, so if you’re aiming at somebody’s head, and they’re just beyond your object, let’s say, you would aim up one bead. The spotter helps assign objects distances, because without it, the sniper is a hell of a lot less deadly. Also, the sniper and the spotter will periodically switch places do to eye strain when using a scope for an extended period of time.

Hathcock generally used the standard sniper rifle on his first tour: the Winchester Model 70 chambered for . 30-06 Springfield cartridges, with the standard 8-power Unertl scope, with which he set his record. The PAVN placed a bounty of US $30,000 on Hathcock's life for killing so many of its soldiers. Rewards put on U.S. snipers by the PAVN typically ranged from $8 to $2,000. Hathcock held the record for the highest bounty and killed every known Vietnamese marksman who sought him to try to collect it.

Pictures are a Seabee survey team with a few ARVN, south Vietnmese regulars, of MCB 62 survey team near the Dai Giang River, all with the M14. This was in 1967. Engineering Aide 3rd Class Jim Millar (kneeling) along with others from this Mobile Construction Battalion 62 detail surveyed nine miles of jungle trail in just 3 days.The Team departed in helicopters from Phu Bai Airportand landed across the Dai Giang River in a rice paddy. The team of MCB 62 surveyors were surveying for a future road into Viet Cong held territory.



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USMC. Don’t have no Airborne training, the Army provides that for the other services which require a few specialized troops with the need to jump out of aircraft. The Navy Seals go through the same airborne qualification as the regular Army Airborne cook
Actually MCAS Yuma in the late 1980s and early 1990s was the Marine Corps Airborne Training Center. Today the mission of the Airborne Mobile Training Team is to provide training and qualification to selected personnel in the Fleet Marine Force and Marine Corps. Today they train at several locations with the primary being at Fort Benning for ground week, tower week and jump week.

They also have west coast training for Seabee UDT teams at Outfield Whidbey Island. I'm not an east coaster but I'm sure they have a Navy training command for Seabee UDT ONE. . UCT ONE is homeported in Little Creek, Virginia and UCT TWO in Port Hueneme train at Navy Outlying Field Coupville, Whidbey Island, WA. Seabee Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile Units also train at Navy Outlying field Coupville. Explosive Ordnance Disposal Mobile Unit 11 perfoming jumps below.

SEALS upon successful completion of BUD/S, SEAL Candidates go on to receive both static line and free-fall training at Tactical Air Operations in San Diego, CA. The accelerated three-week program is highly regimented, facilitated by world-class Instructors, and designed to develop safe and competent free-fall jumpers in a short period of time. To complete the course, Candidates must pass through a series of jump progressions, from basic static line to accelerated free fall to combat equipment – ultimately completing night descents with combat equipment from a minimum altitude of 9,500 feet.

Marine Corps Air Station Yuma

Marine Corps Airborne Training

Marine Corps Detachment Maneuver Center of Excellence - Fort Benning

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Semper Fi HAWK Anti Aircraft Missile pulse radar tech, 5921. CO liked to take the whole firing battery and get exposed to a range of "Marine" stuff. 50 cal in the desert with 55 gal drums (with 3 gallons of gas) 400yrds out. "Who can light that up with tracers :D ". CO sent many of us to driving school so we had our own deuce and halfs and jeeps so we were not dependent on MotorT. CO took the whole Battery to Pendleton to do "Night fire" and a few other annual requirements including Range Qualifying. Only time I got "Expert", "Toilet Seat" previously. CO sent some of us to "Cargo Master" courses so we could (and did) load our own equipment on C5s, C141s and C130s. I spent alot of time in classes. They did a real push to get me to re-enlist, promised me Staff Seargent and $25k in 1980. Didn't work :cool: .
 
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Semper Fi HAWK Anti Aircraft Missile pulse radar tech, 5921. CO liked to take the whole firing battery and get exposed to a range of "Marine" stuff. 50 cal in the desert with 55 gal drums (with 3 gallons of gas) 400yrds out. "Who can light that up with tracers :D ". CO sent many of us to driving school so we had our own deuce and halfs and jeeps so we were not dependent on MotorT. CO took the whole Battery to Pendleton to do "Night fire" and a few other annual requirements including Range Qualifying. Only time I got "Expert", "Toilet Seat" previously. CO sent some of us to "Cargo Master" courses so we could (and did) load our own equipment on C5s, C141s and C130s. I spent alot of time in classes. They did a real push to get me to re-enlist, promised me Staff Seargent and $25k in 1980. Didn't work :cool: .
Sounds like you had a very competent and thorough CO.

I'm sure you had thoughts of, "I didn't expect this much training."

When they spend a lot of time and cashola training you, they want you to re-enlist.

When were you in?
 
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