So I enlisted in the USN in 1971 in the UDT/Seal program. As a result it was a two year hitch and I was assigned to the BUDs company in boot camp. There were 9 of us. All you do is run, calisthenics and swim. Lots of the above. The whole purpose is to assess your suitability for the more rigorous training to come in Coronado. I had an old ankle injury from high school football (well actually not that old) and the sand running took me out. That rolled me into a regular boot camp company 1/2 way through basic and got me an appointment with the "career counselor".
So now I have to choose a "job". If I stay with two year hitch its out to the fleet as a E-1 seaman. If I extend for 2 years I can pick a rate, get E-2 and get an "A" School then out to the fleet. If I extend for 2 years with a mandatory reenlist for two more in my contract for 6 total I can get a "A" and "C school and a variable reenlistment bonus depending on my rate to be paid upon the end of my 4 when I ship over for the mandatory two more.
I picked extend for two and get a "A" school. The "career counselor" said your test scores show some aptitude for the technical rates and rattled off ET, EM, IC, FT and so on. So I said "what's an FT?" He said a Fire Control Technician. I thought....firefighting...cool, I pick that one. Next I know I have orders for a basic electronics "A" school. It wasn't until a few weeks later I figured out it meant Missile or Gunfire Control. Fortunately as soon as I graduated the "A" school and got to the fleet, they saw my history and sent me to a rescue swimmer school. It wasn't the full blown swimmer school it was a basic course meant to qualify you for swimmer aboard a ship.
Anyway........the point is that the guys who took the 6 year hitch expecting the promised $25,000 reenlistment bonus upon the 4 year mark and the reenlistment - which I did not choose - got royally screwed. The USN decided they were not going to pay the reenlistment bonus as promised AND those guys still had to ship over for the 6 anyway. Look up "Variable Reenlistment Bonus", I'm sure the ugly stuff is still in the inter webs. They formed a group and sued Uncle Sam and there were bumper stickers everywhere that said "VRB or Bust".
It was bust............
Glad I didn't pick the 6 year option.
I enlisted under the guaranteed automatic A school program, for those with a GCT/ARI of 125 or more, called the CASH program, though no cash was involved. With a score of 145 out of 150, they pushed hard to get me to sign up for either Nuclear School, which required signing up for six years, and automatic E4 rank after successfully completing A school, or sign up as a CT Communication Tech (Spook) which Innocent Bystander choose, then they found out how intelligent he really was, and the only sailor I knew of boosted to Annapolis from the fleet without a Congressional appointment.
I stuck to my original plan and held out for automatic A-School as a Builder in the Seabees, and crossed my fingers that I wouldn't have to go to Vietnam or a Combat zone. With Vietnamization, they had pulled most of our troops out including Seabee regular battalions. I didn't know jack about Task Force Delta, or the 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade, Marine Aircraft Group 12, and Marine Aircraft Group 15 were destined to serve in anonymity, their efforts not considered newsworthy at the time.
As a mater for the historical record, when the Vietnamese Marine Division moved from Saigon to defend Hue in April 1972, aggressive support by III MAP forces contributed to the success in defeating Communists there and at Quang Tn City. The contributions made by Marine Aircraft Group 12 to the defense of An Loc in Military Region 3 were also noteworthy.' The Marine Corps response reflected the changing security requirements of the decade, as much as it did the continuation of the previous era of fighting in Vietnam. When considered in the context of maritime strategy, the variety of demands placed upon III MAP Marines in 1972 and 1973 can be viewed as post-war deployments that set a pattern for the next decade of contingencies in the Far East and elsewhere.
And joy.There _is_ humor.
Please, please make sure you don't breathe in any of that smoke while you're giggling. It's very unhealthy. (Giggling????, really? Like school girls smoking in the lavatory?)There _is_ humor.
, take a buddy and let him go through the entire Ritual of loading a black powder Hawkins for the first time.
He aims and fires.
, and we both giggle about having to wait for the cloud of smoke to blow away before we can see the target again.
I thought all you gunz-guys were proudly and deeply dedicated to legality in every way.You should get off our lawn because,,
, it would be _moi_
, who will be quite happy to drop dead wolves iin _your_ lawn
Capt Phil Norton. Late 30s Mustanger. Played team cribbage with me when we were in the field. I enlisted to get the max training they offered. I had a Congressional appointment to the Merchant Marine Acedemy, my younger sister had committed suicide in spring of 76 and my thinking was avoiding that commitment that I was not fully behind and adding more pain to my devastated parents. Enlistment, training, GI bill... what could go wrong.Sounds like you had a very competent and thorough CO.
I'm sure you had thoughts of, "I didn't expect this much training."
When they spend a lot of time and cashola training you, they want you to re-enlist.
When were you in?
Yes the handwriting was on the wall, either go OCS and get a commission, cross rate or get out. - so I got out - even though I was one of two Seabees out of 187 who qualified for OCS in 1974, and engineering school at either Washington State or Oregon State - since Seabees was Civil Engineer Corps, one could only get a degree in Civil Engineering, however I wanted a degree in Mechanical or Structural Engineering, so turned down a full boat scholarship. Even in the Seabees beyond '76, rank advancement beyond E5 ground to a halt in all the Seabee rates, as Battalions were shuttered, during Seabee reduction after Vietnam. I had friends who stayed in for 24-36 years, who crossrated to EOD, because that was the only way for them to advance in rank. A few who stayed in the Seabees for 20 it took their whole career to advance to E6 or E7, when a normal open rate allowed one to advance to E6 or E7 in 7&1/2 to 11 years. A go getter makes E5 in four years, and E7, the shortest time in rate was 7&1/2 years, I've read about some rare instance of someone making E7 in 6&1/2 years, but figured it was a misprint or misquote - because you had to have a year in service for each grade rank advancement. Unless someone did exceptional work, for us that meant time reduction or something heroic, you can't advance faster then that.Capt Phil Norton. Late 30s Mustanger. Played team cribbage with me when we were in the field.
The firing battery "C Battery" had very good results with him as CO. He let it be known that we would do anything for anybody in DoD if they foot the bill. We did "emmissions" calibration for Firefinder system '78 or '79 at Fort Hauchuca for a 2 month excersise. Shortly after we did "Cruise Missile" detectabilty scenarios at White Sands for a month or so. Finally we did a 10 week gig in Dugway Proving Grounds tracking cruise missile prototypes in another detectability exercise late '79. That is the exercise two friends and I borrowed the ceremonial 105 howitzer from headquarters and lost it in the desert.
I served '76 to '80. Post Vietnam recruiting was tough. My MOS 5921 and other in Hawk Systems had pretty high ASVABs so I served with some pretty sharp folks.
My RADARs then were going through upgrades from tube technology to digital so when I checked into my firing battery we immediately went to "Digital" school.
The restrictions on the Government from taking our rights has no "need" verbage. The Govt cannot restrict our rights to speech, defense, religion, from self incrimination, etc. You really need to reconsider what the constitution says.And I don't need an AR 15 for anything.
My arsenal consists of a Winchester model 12 in 12 gauge, a Marlin 336 in 30.30, and a Browning High Power 9mm. So I don't piss on gun owners. Just idiots who think that guns are the most important thing in their pathetic lives, and believe that what the NRA says is inscribed on the tablets with the ten commandments. Common sense should prevail.I can probably guarantee that I've had my back ground checked far more than you! As a gun owner: Please, Please enact more strict guns laws! Please!
This notion of "need" as a measure of something actually being needed in 'Murica is a joke, right?
What's in YOUR arsenal BoxOFRox?
There are plenty of other threads in PA where you can piss on gun owners.